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I've been following this discussion (and read my scroll back having missed the IRC meetings) and it seems like we have two things that need to be discussed/decided and one thing that needs to get done as soon as it can be done. First, we need to get code4lib.org up in running at a temporary host. It looks like Dan Chudnov has offered to work on this and I hope that someone can get him some of the backups to do this. The things that need to be discussed are: 1) Where to permanently host code4lib.org. Right now we have two serious proposals. One is at OSU and one is ibiblio. I don't think anyone at all is concerned about the current people at OSU doing a good job. I know I am not. That said, Dan Chudnov brings up some good issues about what happens if things change at OSU. I have been involved with three organizations that relied on university hosting. All three of them eventually ran into issues somewhere done the road because of personal changes and once because of being slash-dotted, For that reason, I believe that we consider this potential issue when looking for a place to host code4lib.org into the future. I propose that Dan Chudnov investigate the possibility of hosting at ibiblio and write a proposal and send it to the list. I also would like to see a more foraml proposal from OSU. If anyone else wants to investigate another option, they should submit a proposal as well. We need a deadline for this, and then a vote/decision. Dan, how long do you think it will take for you to come up with a proposal? Maybe we can say proposals are due on August 17. That gives everyone two weeks to get together a formal proposal together. After that date we can have a vote on the proposals with a deadline that votes are due on August 24. A short time line, maybe (maybe not short enough), but we need to get this solved soon. 2) We need to look into a formal organizational structure. I know some of us have distinctly not wanted to do this. I think between a very successful conference, and now a journal coming out the time has come to at least seriously investigate this. As Ross Singer wrote > Either somebody > makes an executive decision (and risks stepping on somebody else's > toes) or everybody calls 'not it'. Because we don't know where we're > heading with this, nobody's really willing to commit a lot of time or > energy. I think that needs to be addressed. Going forward we need to have someone in a position to make a executive decision and risk stepping on people toes. I'm not sure that this needs to be done today, tomorrow, or even next month. I propose that we put together a task force and charge them with looking into organizational structures. With vacations and everything, I don't think we want to need to do this now, but maybe in September we can send out a call for volunteers and start work in October. This task force will be charges with coming up with some plans for a formal organization to be presented at code4lib 2008 where they can be discussed, and if necessary acted upon. Edward -- Edward M. Corrado http://www.tcnj.edu/~corrado/ Systems Librarian The College of New Jersey 403E TCNJ Library PO Box 7718 Ewing, NJ 08628-0718 Tel: 609.771.3337 Fax: 609.637.5177 Email: [log in to unmask]