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K.G. Schneider wrote: > I wonder if code4lib couldn't be just as happy holding an annual > virtualbake sale or raffle and buying space at Hurricane Electric or > something. Just a thought. What are we talking about in terms of needs? > It's not paying for server colocation and bandwidth and electricity that is the problem. It's not the 'hard' costs like this. We were already getting those donated. At small financial burden to the donators (edsu, rsinger, eby, and other anvil owners), and they were happy to continue making this donation so far as I know. The problem is sysadmin staffing. We do not have anyone who wants to volunteer a professional level of sysadmining (backups, patches, security, etc.). And that led to a situation that, as Dan Chudnov explained, all of us feel is currently unacceptable. Because we have services running that we want to be stable, requiring a professional level of sysadmining. OSU has offered to donate this to us. We also want to maintain control of certain technical things (such as DNS for code4lib.org, and we need command line access, and would optimally have a few people have root). If there's a way to get quality professional sysadmining at market rates (rather than donated), at 'bake sale/raffle' levels of cost, then I don't know about it (but I don't know much about the market for colocation/sysadmining). If there are other entities offering to provide this, they are worth considering too. But none of them are going to be perfect, and they are all going to have some risks of us wanting to change hosts again in the future. We want to minimize that by choosing wisely, because changing hosts is a pain. Regardless of host chosen, we also want to make sure we can set things up to _lessen_ the pain of changing hosts, because like Karen says all things come to an end eventually. But there will be some risk of things not working out down the line no matter what. Nothings perfect, that's how it goes. Jonathan