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hi all, in case you want to restore trac - presumably with subversion repositories - i'd volunteer to admin these apps. i guess i'm rather unknown, but looking at https://dev.livingreviews.org/projects/ and https://dev.livingreviews.org/projects/epubtk/ and https://dev.livingreviews.org/projects/epubtk/wiki/people/robert might give you an idea. regards, robert On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 9:50 PM, Jonathan Rochkind <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Good point, agreed. But we've got what we've got, and what we've got can > work better if we don't rely on Ryan (who has another job) only to admin > it. Even if we had an agreed moratorium on ever adding anything else, I > still think we need to deal with a way to get other code4lib volunteers > to have shell access. Examples are me doing the planet; Jon Brinley > doing our WordPress install for the Journal; _someone_ taking on Wiki > admin, which right now pretty much nobody is doing (which is maybe fine, > it's working, but wouldn't we better off if someone did?). > > [ I will admit that I have a personal interest in _replacing_ the > MediaWiki install with a DokuWiki install. But it's not fair to ask Ryan > to do that. We used to have a 'trac' wiki on the old anvil code4lib, and > when I asked Ryan to restore that functionality, he installed MediaWiki. > Which is great, but I'd rather have dokuwiki. If I can convince someone > to set it up for us. :) But I shouldn't have even brought this up, > because even with no change to our suite of installed apps at all ever, > I think we still need to deal with the shell access issue, right? When > we put code4lib hosted at OSU, a selling point for some of us would be > that shell access for volunteers was possible. I don't think it's fair > to expect Ryan to do app-level admin beyond the bare minimum perhaps. > But with more than the bare minimum, we can get better services! ] > > Jonathan > > > > Ross Singer wrote: > > > While I have no comment on this particular issue (since nobody wants > > me adminning *anything*), I would like to propose that before we set > > up any new services/applications on code4lib.org, we talk about > > whether or not any of the existing applications have functionality > > that could suffice. > > > > I guess my point is, the level of ambivalence that this thread is > > generating doesn't make me terribly hopeful for the longterm > > sustainability of volunteer service admins. > > > > -Ross. > > > > On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 3:25 PM, Jonathan Rochkind <[log in to unmask]> > wrote: > > > > > > > Okay, so new plan for access to code4lib server, since nobody stepped up > > > to want to be an app admin junta. :) Subject to approval by Ryan and > > > Jeff, of course. Recall that Ryan and Jeff at OSU say they are ready > to > > > grant shell access to code4libbers, but weren't sure how to figure out > > > _who_ to grant access too--granting access to any random person that > > > emails Ryan/Jeff seems like a bad idea of course! So they were open to > > > suggestion from us. > > > > > > The idea last time was that there should be one or two or three people > > > that take overall responsibility for app-level admin on that machine, > > > who could then grant access to others. (Recall that Ryan is still > > > overall root sysadmin responsible for OS stuff, just not for our apps). > > > Which was a fine plan, but nobody said they wanted to do it. :) > > > > > > So new plan. If someone has a need for shell access (because they want > > > to be responsible for management of one of our apps; Like the WordPress > > > for the Journal; or the Drupal; or the wiki; or the planet; including > > > possibly new apps that the code4lib community wants)---they email this > > > code4lib list explaining what they are going to do, and that they are > > > qualified to do it without messing it up. :) We, in our usual way, nit > > > pick it to death and debate it. But eventually a rough consensus is > > > reached. And Ryan grants the shell access. If someone thinks it's a > > > horrible idea to give that person shell access, then I guess it doesn't > > > go forward. I don't see the need for any actual 'voting', I think > mostly > > > it'll just work out. (For instance, Ryan already pre-emptively gave me > > > shell access to add new feeds to the planet. If I had emailed the list > > > and said that, which I'm doing now, everyone would have just ignored it > > > and/or said, cool.) > > > > > > So? > > > > > > Jonathan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 3/21/08 8:13 AM, "Jonathan Rochkind" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So as many of you know, OSU is now hosting the code4lib.org server, > with > > > > > the various code4lib community apps running on it. Jeremy Frumkin's > > > > > group hosts it, and Ryan Ordway does the heavy sysadmin lifting. > > > > > > > > > > They're now ready to start granting other people shell access to the > > > > > machine to manage/admin apps. This was part of the original plan > when > > > > > hosting moved to OSU. While Ryan provides basic sysadmining and > > > > > security, the intention isn't neccesarily for him to manage > individual > > > > > apps, but instead to take advantage of interested code4lib > volunteers to > > > > > do this--essentially how things worked before OSU hosted the > code4lib > > > > > server. More hands means less work. (Sometimes, to an extent. :) ). > > > > > > > > > > So the question for the community is--how the heck should Jeremy and > > > > > Ryan determine _who_ to give shell access to? Pre-OSU hosting, > code4lib > > > > > was hosted by a defined group of code4libbers who chipped in for > hosting > > > > > fees, and were the only ones who had shell access. If you wanted > shell > > > > > access, as I understand it, you'd have to talk to them about > becoming a > > > > > member of their 'cooperative', and they'd decide whether that would > > > > > happen or not. Now, with OSU hosting... what should happen? It > probably > > > > > doesn't make sense that any Joe Schmoe that nobody's heard of can > just > > > > > email Ryan and automatically get shell access. So ruling that > out.... > > > > > any ideas? Maybe if you want shell access to manage a particular > > > > > application, you email the code4lib listserv, and.... then what? > Not > > > > > sure. > > > > > > > > > > Jonathan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Jonathan Rochkind > > > Digital Services Software Engineer > > > The Sheridan Libraries > > > Johns Hopkins University > > > 410.516.8886 > > > rochkind (at) jhu.edu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Jonathan Rochkind > Digital Services Software Engineer > The Sheridan Libraries > Johns Hopkins University > 410.516.8886 > rochkind (at) jhu.edu >