I've done some work on Omeka (www.omeka.org ) which uses Zend as a framework. I've been quite pleased with its organization and OO-ness. I find its error messages particularly friendly and useful in debugging. For heavy-duty apps, I like symfony (http://www.symfony-project.org/ ) a lot, but it tends to be overkill for most things PHP. Sean Hannan Web Developer Sheridan Libraries Johns Hopkins University [log in to unmask] >>> Susan Teague Rector <[log in to unmask]> 10/27/08 4:50 PM >>> Hi All, We're exploring Zend as a framework for php based Web applications. I'm curious to see if anyone out there is using this framework (or another MVC framework). Also, I wondering how many full- time developers you have on staff programming. Thanks in advance! -- Susan Teague Rector Web Applications Manager Library Information Systems, VCU Libraries 804.827.3554 | [log in to unmask]