Oops, good point, display:none might cause problems for COinS using user-agents that count on inserting content into the span and having it be visible. Perhaps user-agents should be changed to change the style, removing display:none if it's there, maybe that should be reccommended best practice. Jonathan Ross Singer wrote: > On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 10:50 AM, Godmar Back <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 2:31 PM, Jonathan Rochkind <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >>> Not that I know of. >>> >>> You can say display:none, but that'll probably hide it from LibX etc too. >>> >> No, why would it. >> > > I agree with Godmar -- everything should be using the DOM. The tag is > still there. Of course, if the COinS processor is inserting its > output into the span tag, you might have a problem... > > -Ross. > >> BTW, I don't see why screen readers would stumble over this when the >> child of the <span> is empty. Do they try to read empty text? And if >> a COinS is processed, we fix up the title so tooltips show nicely. >> >> - Godmar >> >> >>> What is needed is a CSS @media for screen readers, like one exists for >>> 'print'. So you could have a seperate stylesheet for screenreaders, like you >>> can have a seperate stylesheet for print. That would be the right way to do >>> it. >>> >>> But doesn't exist. >>> >>> Jonathan >>> >>> Thomas Dowling wrote: >>> >>>> On 12/04/2008 02:02 PM, Jonathan Rochkind wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Yeah, I had recently noticed indepedently, been unhappy with the way a >>>>> COinS "title" shows up in mouse-overs, and is reccommended to be used by >>>>> screen readers. Oops. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> By any chance, do current screen readers honor something like '<span >>>> class="Z3988" style="speak:none" title=...>'? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> Jonathan Rochkind >>> Digital Services Software Engineer >>> The Sheridan Libraries >>> Johns Hopkins University >>> 410.516.8886 rochkind (at) jhu.edu >>> >>> > > -- Jonathan Rochkind Digital Services Software Engineer The Sheridan Libraries Johns Hopkins University 410.516.8886 rochkind (at) jhu.edu