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You know, putting Dick Cheney is a pelican case might have solved a lot of problems later on. - David On 27-Aug-2009, at 13:30 , Rosalyn Metz wrote: > ah good. then we are agreeing. strike the whole disagree with ed > portion > of my email. > > also i like the pelican idea too. it reminds me of dick cheney in an > undisclosed location. > > On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 1:15 PM, Edward M. Corrado <[log in to unmask] > >wrote: > >> Hi Roslyn, >> >> I probably wasn't clear.... I didn't mean to say don't use cloud >> storage if >> you think it is a good solution, in many cases it could be. I meant >> that if >> you really want to preserve your data you need to do more than put >> it in the >> cloud (or for that matter on a local storage device). It is not a >> panacea. >> Just like if you were housing it locally you need to make sure you >> have >> redundant copies. >> >> Edward >> >> >> Rosalyn Metz wrote: >> >>> I have to agree with Ed. You should have a good policy in place for >>> backing >>> up your data. Just throwing it on a server isn't a policy. >>> >>> At the same time I would have to disagree with Ed. You should >>> look at S3 >>> as >>> if it was your own server. What is the guarantee that you supply >>> to your >>> users with your own server. The snap server we use here (instead >>> of S3) >>> is >>> the back up to a back up system already in place. >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 9:52 AM, Edward M. Corrado <[log in to unmask] >>>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Rosalyn's post made me think of one more thing.... if you are >>>> looking >>>> into >>>> outside entities (such as we are), what are the terms of service >>>> and what >>>> guarantee do they offer they won't lose your data? I believe that >>>> A3 does >>>> not offer any guarantee, so if you go with them, you probably >>>> want to >>>> have >>>> some other form of storage as well. Even if they offered a >>>> guarantee, >>>> what >>>> good is it once they loose your documents you were trying to >>>> preserve? >>>> >>>> Edward Corrado >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Rosalyn Metz wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hi Edward, >>>>> >>>>> Might I suggest you look into cloud computing services if you're >>>>> looking >>>>> at >>>>> different options. (I know you're all shocked I suggested it). >>>>> If our >>>>> budget weren't so abysmal (and going to get worse) we would be >>>>> using it >>>>> right now rather than the snap server we purchased with leftover >>>>> funds. >>>>> The >>>>> benefits of using the cloud is of course the elasticity it >>>>> offers you. >>>>> The >>>>> negative is that you have to pay to put your files into the >>>>> cloud and >>>>> then >>>>> pay again to take them out (and since we've already been slashed >>>>> 30% and >>>>> are >>>>> guaranteed another slash...that idea was shot down). >>>>> >>>>> Of course the major player out there is Amazon S3. The problem >>>>> is that >>>>> you >>>>> can't use S3 via Amazon's Web Management Console. But there is a >>>>> company >>>>> called RightScale (http://www.rightscale.com/index.php) which >>>>> has a web >>>>> management console that allows you to upload files quickly and >>>>> easily >>>>> without having to write scripts and what not. >>>>> >>>>> Anyway, just my two cents. >>>>> >>>>> Rosalyn >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 8:10 AM, Edward Iglesias >>>>> <[log in to unmask]>wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> As I was trying to figure out what to do with half a terabyte of >>>>>> archival TIFFS it occurred to me that perhaps someone else had >>>>>> this >>>>>> problem. We are starting to produce massive amounts of digital >>>>>> objects (videos, archival TIFFS, audio interviews). Up until >>>>>> now we >>>>>> have been dealing with ways to display them to the public. Now >>>>>> we are >>>>>> starting to look at "dark archives" like OCLC's digital archive >>>>>> product. I would welcome any suggestions from those of you who >>>>>> have >>>>>> dealt with this on an archival level. It's one thing to stick >>>>>> the >>>>>> stuff up on a server, but then what? Our CIO suggested storage >>>>>> appliances like this one >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.drobo.com/products/index.php >>>>>> >>>>>> but I am wary of the proprietary RAID system. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks in advance, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>>>> Edward Iglesias >>>>>> Systems Librarian >>>>>> Central Connecticut State University >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>