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This would require multiple cases. But if they were distributed to different points, the chances of losing them all would be reduced... On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 10:35 AM, David J. Fiander<[log in to unmask]> wrote: > You know, putting Dick Cheney is a pelican case might have solved a lot of > problems later on. > > - David > > On 27-Aug-2009, at 13:30 , Rosalyn Metz wrote: > >> ah good. then we are agreeing. strike the whole disagree with ed portion >> of my email. >> >> also i like the pelican idea too. it reminds me of dick cheney in an >> undisclosed location. >> >> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 1:15 PM, Edward M. Corrado >> <[log in to unmask]>wrote: >> >>> Hi Roslyn, >>> >>> I probably wasn't clear.... I didn't mean to say don't use cloud storage >>> if >>> you think it is a good solution, in many cases it could be. I meant that >>> if >>> you really want to preserve your data you need to do more than put it in >>> the >>> cloud (or for that matter on a local storage device). It is not a >>> panacea. >>> Just like if you were housing it locally you need to make sure you have >>> redundant copies. >>> >>> Edward >>> >>> >>> Rosalyn Metz wrote: >>> >>>> I have to agree with Ed. You should have a good policy in place for >>>> backing >>>> up your data. Just throwing it on a server isn't a policy. >>>> >>>> At the same time I would have to disagree with Ed. You should look at >>>> S3 >>>> as >>>> if it was your own server. What is the guarantee that you supply to >>>> your >>>> users with your own server. The snap server we use here (instead of S3) >>>> is >>>> the back up to a back up system already in place. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 9:52 AM, Edward M. Corrado <[log in to unmask] >>>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Rosalyn's post made me think of one more thing.... if you are looking >>>>> into >>>>> outside entities (such as we are), what are the terms of service and >>>>> what >>>>> guarantee do they offer they won't lose your data? I believe that A3 >>>>> does >>>>> not offer any guarantee, so if you go with them, you probably want to >>>>> have >>>>> some other form of storage as well. Even if they offered a guarantee, >>>>> what >>>>> good is it once they loose your documents you were trying to preserve? >>>>> >>>>> Edward Corrado >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Rosalyn Metz wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Edward, >>>>>> >>>>>> Might I suggest you look into cloud computing services if you're >>>>>> looking >>>>>> at >>>>>> different options. (I know you're all shocked I suggested it). If our >>>>>> budget weren't so abysmal (and going to get worse) we would be using >>>>>> it >>>>>> right now rather than the snap server we purchased with leftover >>>>>> funds. >>>>>> The >>>>>> benefits of using the cloud is of course the elasticity it offers you. >>>>>> The >>>>>> negative is that you have to pay to put your files into the cloud and >>>>>> then >>>>>> pay again to take them out (and since we've already been slashed 30% >>>>>> and >>>>>> are >>>>>> guaranteed another slash...that idea was shot down). >>>>>> >>>>>> Of course the major player out there is Amazon S3. The problem is >>>>>> that >>>>>> you >>>>>> can't use S3 via Amazon's Web Management Console. But there is a >>>>>> company >>>>>> called RightScale (http://www.rightscale.com/index.php) which has a >>>>>> web >>>>>> management console that allows you to upload files quickly and easily >>>>>> without having to write scripts and what not. >>>>>> >>>>>> Anyway, just my two cents. >>>>>> >>>>>> Rosalyn >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 8:10 AM, Edward Iglesias >>>>>> <[log in to unmask]>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> As I was trying to figure out what to do with half a terabyte of >>>>>>> archival TIFFS it occurred to me that perhaps someone else had this >>>>>>> problem. We are starting to produce massive amounts of digital >>>>>>> objects (videos, archival TIFFS, audio interviews). Up until now we >>>>>>> have been dealing with ways to display them to the public. Now we >>>>>>> are >>>>>>> starting to look at "dark archives" like OCLC's digital archive >>>>>>> product. I would welcome any suggestions from those of you who have >>>>>>> dealt with this on an archival level. It's one thing to stick the >>>>>>> stuff up on a server, but then what? Our CIO suggested storage >>>>>>> appliances like this one >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.drobo.com/products/index.php >>>>>>> >>>>>>> but I am wary of the proprietary RAID system. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks in advance, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>>>>> Edward Iglesias >>>>>>> Systems Librarian >>>>>>> Central Connecticut State University >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> > -- ---------------------------------------------------------- Kyle Banerjee Digital Services Program Manager Orbis Cascade Alliance [log in to unmask] / 503.999.9787