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just to mention, I don't think Less works with jruby, so if you use Bootstrap, you have to use the static assets and can't use the generators... On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 4:06 PM, Shaun Ellis <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > I have not used Foundation, but from what I can see, it offers a subset of > the features that you get with Bootstrap. I suppose that's what they mean > by "light" framework. The idea that it is designed to be overridden is a > bit of a strange claim as I don't see how it's any different from overriding > any other base stylesheet. I've been overriding styles in Bootstrap simply > by creating an override.css file from the beginning. > > We are currently in the last stages of the "prototype phase" for our Finding > Aids site and will be going into beta soon. It currently looks like a > "Bootstrap site", hence the "samification" that the List Apart article > mentions, and I will soon need to Princeton-ify it (aka "tiger style"). > > I think that the transition to a custom site that stands out from other > Bootstrap sites is not particularly easy if you've been using Bootstrap out > of the box and overriding it like I've been doing. This is because there > are standard/shared colors and styles that are set as variables in Less. > It's a lot more laborious to go through and override these manually than > simply change the variables in Less. > > If you are interested in using Bootstrap, I would recommend designing a > style guide (or UI pattern library, as Matthew called it) for your own > institution and building it with Less, which is my next step. This guide > will provide me and my colleagues custom variations on components, but I > plan to maintain the architecture of the Bootstrap site. I just love how > organized it is, and how easy it is to simply copy code from the examples. > > Furthermore, it will be easier to keep such a style guide in sync with > future Bootstrap versions. I'm currently putting off upgrading to Bootstrap > 2.0 because they changed the default grid and I didn't start the project > using Less. Finally, other developers at your institution can use the same > custom guide as easily as they would the Bootstrap site for grabbing and > quickly implementing their design conventions. > > I don't regret not using Less out of the gate since it was pretty foreign to > me at the time, and I really just wanted to get going quickly with > prototyping the architecture. > > Cheers, > Shaun > > > On 5/11/12 9:27 AM, Joseph Gilbert wrote: >> >> Hi Jessie, >> >> I've used Bootstrap more than Foundation, but both are solid choices. >> There are some relatively minor differences: Bootstrap uses LESS while >> Foundation is CSS with an officially supported SASS version; Bootstrap >> has a few more JS widgets thrown in. >> >> One philosophical distinction seems to lie in the "it’s designed to be >> overridden" line in the article Tom mentions. Bootstrap looks good >> right out of the box, but the underlying styles are also a bit more >> complex and therefore sometimes require a little more effort to tweak. >> Bootstrap out-of-the-box and without customizations--a bit like >> jQueryUI before it--is already starting to seem hackneyed, but >> assuming you all will be doing institutional customizations, either >> library, I think, will give you a good starting point. >> >> Best, >> Joe >> >> >> -- >> Joseph Gilbert >> User Experience Web Developer >> University of Virginia Library >> >> >> On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 7:01 AM, Tom Keays<[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>> >>> I read this awhile back. It's by someone associated with the >>> Foundation project. >>> >>> http://www.alistapart.com/articles/dive-into-responsive-prototyping-with-foundation/ >>> Both look good. Like you, I looked hard at Bootstrap after the >>> conference, but haven't really done anything with it. I'd be >>> interested which framework you settle on. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 7:17 PM, Jessie Keck<[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> We are about to develop a set of style-guids and templates for our >>>> locally developed applications that will have a unified look and feel. One >>>> manifestation of this will be a ruby gem that we will use for all of our >>>> rails apps (including Blacklight and Hydra applications). >>>> >>>> As we were discussing the approaches we may take for this, the question >>>> of basing our designs on a library such as Bootstrap or Foundation came up. >>>> I have heard a lot about Bootstrap in the C4L community, but very little >>>> about Foundation. Does anybody here have extensive experience w/ both >>>> libraries and would recommend one over the other? >>>> >>>> We are already leaning towards Bootstrap as many in the Blacklight and >>>> Hydra communities have expressed interest or are using it already. Also, >>>> some folks locally who have used or investigated both libraries have had >>>> positive experiences in either case. >>>> >>>> Understanding that this may be boil down to a simple matter of taste, I >>>> wonder what opinions you all have. >>>> >>>> Thank you, >>>> - Jessie Keck >>>> Stanford University > > > -- > Shaun D. Ellis > Digital Library Interface Developer > Firestone Library, Princeton University > voice: 609.258.1698 | [log in to unmask]