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They are public: https://listserv.nd.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A1=ind1206&L=CODE4LIB Have at it. While I fully support ethical research and even IRBs, we do everyone a disservice by appealing to IRBs to approve things that don't require their approval, even if we're just doing so to be "careful." It reminds me of the disservice we libraries sometimes do by asking for permission to use things when we could instead make a fair use argument. Best, Mark On 6/5/12 11:31 AM, "Jonathan Rochkind" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >I think our list archives ought to be public, and ought ideally to be >available to anyone without even having to make an out of band request >to ELM. Are they not, can't you just download them from the web without >even having to ask? Either way, yes, anyone should be able to get the >archives to use them for whatever research they want. > >On 6/4/2012 4:54 PM, Edward M. Corrado wrote: >> I personally don't have any objections to this, and in fact, would be >> interested to find out what you discover. Make sure you check with your >>IRB >> to see if they require anything (sometimes even an anonymous survey can >> require IRB approval) if you are considering publishing your results. >> >> Also, if you are concerned or interested about any potential ethical >> issues, you may want to check out the Assocation of Internet >>Researchers: >> http://aoir.org/ >> >> Edward >> >> On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 4:44 PM, Paul Orkiszewski >> <[log in to unmask]>wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I'm interested in analyzing the list archives with a goal of studying >>>how >>> concepts move through the list over time, the relationship (or >>> non-relationship) between discussions in the list and eventual >>> implementations and practices in the broader library community, the >>> zeitgeist over time of an active development community, etc. I'm not >>>sure >>> about the tools and products at the moment, but the outcomes would be >>> anonymous and there would be no e-mail harvest of any kind, especially >>>and >>> specifically any commercial harvesting. An initial idea as an example >>>of >>> what I'm thinking about is to generate word clouds that could give a >>> snapshot of what's going on over some defined period of time, or >>>concepts >>> most closely associated with a particular term, or an overlap analysis >>> against one of the library science databases. Stuff like that. >>> >>> Eric Lease Morgan, the list admin, can provide an archive of the list, >>>but >>> I wanted to check with all of you before I asked for it. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Paul >>> -- >>> >>> ------------------------------**------------------------------** >>> ------------ >>> *Paul Orkiszewski* >>> Coordinator of Library Technology Services / Associate Professor >>> University Library >>> Appalachian State University >>> 218 College Street >>> P.O. Box 32026 >>> Boone, NC 28608-2026 >>> >>> E-mail: [log in to unmask] >>> Phone: 828 262 6588 >>> Fax: 828 262 2797 >>> ------------------------------**------------------------------** >>> ------------ >>> >>