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On 7/10/12 4:02 PM, Richard Wallis wrote: > > But is it available to everyone, and is the data retrieved also usable as > ODC-BY by any member of the Web public? > > Yes it is, and at this stage it is only available from within a html page. The "it" I was referring to was the API. Roy is telling me that people should use the API, as if that is an obvious option that I am overlooking. I am asking if the general web public can use the API to get this data. I believe that should be a yes/no question/answer. kc > > This experiment is the first step in a process to make linked data about > WorldCat resources available. As it will evolve over time other areas such > as API access, content-negotiation, search & other query methods, > additional RDF data vocabularies, etc., etc., will be considered in concert > with community feedback (such as this thread) as to the way forward. > > Karen I know you are eager to work with and demonstrate the benefits of > this way of publishing data. But these things take time and effort, so > please be a little patient, and keep firing off these use cases and issues > they are all valuable input. > > ~Richard. > >> >> kc >> >> >> Roy >>> On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 2:08 PM, Kevin Ford <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>> >>>> The use case clarifies perfectly. >>>> >>>> Totally feasible. Well, I should say "totally feasible" with the caveat >>>> that I've never used the Worldcat Search API. Not letting that stop me, >>>> so >>>> long as it is what I imagine it is, then a developer should be able to >>>> perform a search, retrieve the response, and, by integrating one of the >>>> tools advertised on the schema.org website into his/her code, then >>>> retrieve >>>> the microdata for each resource returned from the search (and save it as >>>> RDF >>>> or whatever). >>>> >>>> If someone has created something like this, do speak up. >>>> >>>> Yours, >>>> >>>> Kevin >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 07/10/2012 04:48 PM, Karen Coyle wrote: >>>> >>>>> Kevin, if you misunderstand then I undoubtedly haven't been clear (let's >>>>> at least share the confusion :-)). Here's the use case: >>>>> >>>>> PersonA wants to create a comprehensive bibliography of works by >>>>> AuthorB. The goal is to do a search on AuthorB in WorldCat and extract >>>>> the RDFa data from those pages in order to populate the bibliography. >>>>> >>>>> Apart from all of the issues of getting a perfect match on authors and >>>>> of manifestation duplicates (there would need to be editing of the >>>>> results after retrieval at the user's end), how feasible is this? Assume >>>>> that the author is prolific enough that one wouldn't want to look up all >>>>> of the records by hand. >>>>> >>>>> kc >>>>> >>>>> On 7/10/12 1:43 PM, Kevin Ford wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> As for someone who might want to do this programmatically, he/she >>>>>> should take a look at the "Programming languages" section of the >>>>>> second link I sent along: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://schema.rdfs.org/tools.**html<http://schema.rdfs.org/tools.html> >>>>>> >>>>>> There one can find Ruby, Python, and Java extractors and parsers >>>>>> capable of outputting RDF. A developer can take one of these and >>>>>> programmatically get at the data. >>>>>> >>>>>> Apologies if I am misunderstanding your intent. >>>>>> >>>>>> Yours, >>>>>> >>>>>> Kevin >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 07/10/2012 04:34 PM, Karen Coyle wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, Kevin! And Richard! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm thinking we need a good web site with links to tools. I had >>>>>>> already >>>>>>> been introduced to >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.w3.org/2012/pyRdfa/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> where you can past a URI and get ttl or rdf/xml. These are all good >>>>>>> resources. But what about someone who wants to do this >>>>>>> programmatically, >>>>>>> not through a web site? Richard's message indicates that this isn't >>>>>>> yet >>>>>>> available, so perhaps we should be gathering use cases to support the >>>>>>> need? And have a place to post various solutions, even ones that are >>>>>>> not >>>>>>> OCLC-specific? (Because I am hoping that the use of microformats will >>>>>>> increase in general.) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> kc >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 7/10/12 12:12 PM, Kevin Ford wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> is there an open search to get one to the desired records in the >>>>>>>> first >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> place? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- I'm not certain this will fully address your question, but try >>>>>>>> these two sites: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Website: http://www.google.com/**webmasters/tools/richsnippets<http://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/richsnippets> >>>>>>>> Example: http://tinyurl.com/dx3h5bg >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Website: http://linter.structured-data.**org/<http://linter.structured-data.org/> >>>>>>>> Example: http://tinyurl.com/bmm8bbc >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> These sites will extract the data, but I don't think you get your >>>>>>>> choice of serialization. The data are extracted and displayed on the >>>>>>>> resulting page in the HTML, but at least you can *see* the data. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Additionally, there are a number of "tools" to help with microdata >>>>>>>> extraction here: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://schema.rdfs.org/tools.**html<http://schema.rdfs.org/tools.html> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Some of these will allow you to output specific (RDF) serializations. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> HTH, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Kevin >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 07/10/2012 02:42 PM, Karen Coyle wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have demonstrated the schema.org/RDFa microdata in the WC >>>>>>>>> database to >>>>>>>>> various folks and the question always is: how do I get access to >>>>>>>>> this? >>>>>>>>> (The only source I have is the Facebook API, me being a "user" >>>>>>>>> rather >>>>>>>>> than a "maker".) The microdata is CC-BY once you get a Worldcat >>>>>>>>> URI, but >>>>>>>>> is there an open search to get one to the desired records in the >>>>>>>>> first >>>>>>>>> place? I'm poorly-versed in WC APIs so I'm hoping others have a >>>>>>>>> better >>>>>>>>> grasp. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> @rjw: the OCLC website does a thorough job of hiding email >>>>>>>>> addresses or >>>>>>>>> I would have asked this directly. Then again, a discussion here >>>>>>>>> could >>>>>>>>> have added value. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>> kc >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >> -- >> Karen Coyle >> [log in to unmask] http://kcoyle.net >> ph: 1-510-540-7596 >> m: 1-510-435-8234 >> skype: kcoylenet >> > > -- Karen Coyle [log in to unmask] http://kcoyle.net ph: 1-510-540-7596 m: 1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet