And/or Code4Lib4[I hate that word minority, but cannot think of another for here, but maybe you get what I mean] Not trying to splinter, but that might be one way to encourage diversity but again, without implication that ANYONE would be excluded. (Inspired by http://www.meetup.com/Los-Angeles-Womens-Ruby-on-Rails-Group/ ) Christina Salazar Systems Librarian John Spoor Broome Library California State University, Channel Islands 805/437-3198 [Description: Description: CI Formal Logo_1B grad_em signature]