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"Speak up" only works if the speaker is treated with respect. If, instead, the speaker is assailed with a litany of "you shouldn't think that" and "you're spoiling our fun", then I doubt if you will get many speakers. There needs to be a procedure for dealing with "speaking up" that doesn't resemble a public drubbing. Until that is added into the policy, the policy itself is a false promise and likely to make things worse for anyone speaking up, rather than better. kc On 1/23/13 5:21 AM, Shaun Ellis wrote: > Isn't this why we have an anti-harrassment policy? Why not hold zoia > (and all bots) accountable to the code of conduct like everyone else? > > If zoia says something that makes you feel uncomfortable, then speak > up and we will take appropriate measures by removing the plugin or > removing that response from the data set. Let's not over-think it. > > -Shaun > > > On 1/22/13 10:56 PM, Bill Dueber wrote: >> On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 9:50 PM, Genny Engel <[log in to unmask]> >> wrote: >> >>> Guess there's no groundswell of support for firing Zoia and replacing >>> her/it with a GLaDOS irc bot, then? >>> >> >> I'm in. "We've both said things you're going to regret." >> >> [GLaDOS <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glados> is the >> really-quite-mean AI >> from the games Portal and Portal2] >> >> On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 9:50 PM, Genny Engel >> <[log in to unmask]>wrote: >> >>> Guess there's no groundswell of support for firing Zoia and replacing >>> her/it with a GLaDOS irc bot, then? >>> >>> *Sigh.* >>> >>> Genny Engel >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Code for Libraries [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of >>> Andromeda Yelton >>> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 11:30 AM >>> To: [log in to unmask] >>> Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Zoia >>> >>> FWIW, I am both an active #libtechwomen participant and someone who >>> is so >>> thoroughly charmed by zoia I am frequently bothered she isn't right >>> there >>> *in my real life*. (Yes, I have tried to issue zoia commands during >>> face-to-face conversations with non-Code4Libbers.) >>> >>> I think a collaboratively maintained bot with a highly open ethos is >>> always >>> going to end up with some things that cross people's lines, and >>> that's an >>> opportunity to talk about those lines and rearticulate our group norms. >>> And to that end, I'm in favor of weeding the collection of plugins, >>> whether because of offensiveness or disuse. (Perhaps this would be >>> a good >>> use of github's issue tracker, too?) >>> >>> I also think some sort of 'what's zoia and how can you contribute' link >>> would be useful in any welcome-newbie plugin; it did take me a while to >>> figure out what was going on there. (Just as it took me the while to >>> acquire the tastes for, say, coffee, bourbon, and blue cheese, >>> tastes which >>> I would now defend ferociously.) >>> >>> But not having zoia would make me sad. And defining zoia to be >>> woman-unfriendly, when zoia-lovers and zoia-haters appear to span the >>> gender spectrum and have a variety of reasons (both gendered and >>> non) for >>> their reactions, would make me sad too. >>> >>> @love zoia. >>> >>> Andromeda >>> >> >> >> > > -- Karen Coyle [log in to unmask] http://kcoyle.net ph: 1-510-540-7596 m: 1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet