Karen, yes, there is a procedure for dealing with speaking up: // Participants asked to stop any harassing behavior are expected to comply immediately. If a participant engages in harassing behavior, organizers may take any action they deem appropriate, including warning the offender, expulsion from the Code4Lib event, or banning the offender from a chatroom or mailing list. // [1] It's easier to sense someone's discomfort in person. But in IRC, there's no way to tell and the issue can only be addressed if someone speaks up. [1] https://github.com/code4lib/antiharassment-policy/blob/master/code_of_conduct.md -Shaun On 1/23/13 10:28 AM, Karen Coyle wrote: > "Speak up" only works if the speaker is treated with respect. If, > instead, the speaker is assailed with a litany of "you shouldn't think > that" and "you're spoiling our fun", then I doubt if you will get many > speakers. > > There needs to be a procedure for dealing with "speaking up" that > doesn't resemble a public drubbing. Until that is added into the policy, > the policy itself is a false promise and likely to make things worse for > anyone speaking up, rather than better. > > kc > > > On 1/23/13 5:21 AM, Shaun Ellis wrote: >> Isn't this why we have an anti-harrassment policy? Why not hold zoia >> (and all bots) accountable to the code of conduct like everyone else? >> >> If zoia says something that makes you feel uncomfortable, then speak >> up and we will take appropriate measures by removing the plugin or >> removing that response from the data set. Let's not over-think it. >> >> -Shaun >> >> >> On 1/22/13 10:56 PM, Bill Dueber wrote: >>> On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 9:50 PM, Genny Engel <[log in to unmask]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Guess there's no groundswell of support for firing Zoia and replacing >>>> her/it with a GLaDOS irc bot, then? >>>> >>> >>> I'm in. "We've both said things you're going to regret." >>> >>> [GLaDOS <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glados> is the >>> really-quite-mean AI >>> from the games Portal and Portal2] >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 9:50 PM, Genny Engel >>> <[log in to unmask]>wrote: >>> >>>> Guess there's no groundswell of support for firing Zoia and replacing >>>> her/it with a GLaDOS irc bot, then? >>>> >>>> *Sigh.* >>>> >>>> Genny Engel >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Code for Libraries [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of >>>> Andromeda Yelton >>>> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 11:30 AM >>>> To: [log in to unmask] >>>> Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Zoia >>>> >>>> FWIW, I am both an active #libtechwomen participant and someone who >>>> is so >>>> thoroughly charmed by zoia I am frequently bothered she isn't right >>>> there >>>> *in my real life*. (Yes, I have tried to issue zoia commands during >>>> face-to-face conversations with non-Code4Libbers.) >>>> >>>> I think a collaboratively maintained bot with a highly open ethos is >>>> always >>>> going to end up with some things that cross people's lines, and >>>> that's an >>>> opportunity to talk about those lines and rearticulate our group norms. >>>> And to that end, I'm in favor of weeding the collection of plugins, >>>> whether because of offensiveness or disuse. (Perhaps this would be >>>> a good >>>> use of github's issue tracker, too?) >>>> >>>> I also think some sort of 'what's zoia and how can you contribute' link >>>> would be useful in any welcome-newbie plugin; it did take me a while to >>>> figure out what was going on there. (Just as it took me the while to >>>> acquire the tastes for, say, coffee, bourbon, and blue cheese, >>>> tastes which >>>> I would now defend ferociously.) >>>> >>>> But not having zoia would make me sad. And defining zoia to be >>>> woman-unfriendly, when zoia-lovers and zoia-haters appear to span the >>>> gender spectrum and have a variety of reasons (both gendered and >>>> non) for >>>> their reactions, would make me sad too. >>>> >>>> @love zoia. >>>> >>>> Andromeda >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > -- Shaun Ellis User Interace Developer, Digital Initiatives Princeton University Library