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+1 for Sarah's view here. Code4lib is a community, and an especially inclusive one. I too was annoyed by all the job posts, then I needed to use it a few times to get the word out on a position and can think of no better community to draw from. It was worth the effort of creating a filter to somewhat declutter the list. I'm also hoping Stuart was being sarcastic, but it didn't read that way. Email is a hard place to be funny, or sometimes even direct, without it coming off the wrong way. I've learned this the hard way ;) Declan PS I did kinda dig the Shib reference ;) -----Original Message----- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Sarah Shealy Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2014 5:38 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] separate list for jobs > Date: Wed, 7 May 2014 07:51:02 +1200 > From: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] separate list for jobs > To: [log in to unmask] > > On 05/07/2014 04:59 AM, Richard Sarvas wrote: > > Not to be a jerk about this, but why is the answer always "No"? There seem to be more posts on this list relating to job openings than there are relating to code discussions. Are job postings a part why this list was originally created? If so, I'll stop now. > > The answer is always "no" because we are collectively using the the > possession of an email client with filtering capability and the > personal knowledge of how to use it as a Shibboleth for group > membership. Those who find it easier to complain than write a filter > mark themselves as members of the outgroup intruding on the ingroup. > > cheers > stuart This is a pretty terrible reply. Besides being rude, you're creating an artificial divide between "us" and "them". No one is 'intruding' on anyone - it's a public forum for people who work in LIBRARIES (aka - places where inclusion is supposed to rule) without any filtering of participants, so technically anyone with an email address is part of the 'ingroup'. Just because you think you're one of the cool kids doesn't mean you should try to intimidate others with obscure words (seriously, shibboleth?) and patronizing tone. Unless you're trying to be sarcastic...in which case ignore this. But it doesn't come across that way. Also, asking why isn't complaining. And to answer the original question - job listings help more people than they annoy so they should be kept as-is. Sarah