| Does anyone else find this stuff interesting? Absolutely. I have a slew of jQuery scripts I've put together to add in small bits of (missing) functionality here-and-there, mostly based on suggestions/trouble tickets from staff. These are far from plugins, though. Nonetheless, I should go about sharing these scripts someday... And I'd be very interested to see other institutions' stab at best practices for LibGuides. FWIW, I've been a regular on the SpringShare internal forums "Lounge" and I've made a number suggestions on how to improve LibGuides functionality & workflow support. There is a good community on that forum and my suggestions tend to receive prompt attention. On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 1:07 PM, Alex Armstrong <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > The web content workflow and governance issues that were brought up are > really important. I would love to discuss them at excruciating length. But > content ownership conundrums and the frustrations of WYSIWYG editors are > broader issues that can be usefully taken up in other threads. > > I de-lurked here because I saw an opening to discuss LibGuides with other > people who have a stake in it, especially as a lightweight CMS. I think > Josh's description of its limitations was very good. His feature > propositions, including that of a curated plugin system, were even better. > I have a question though: Why doesn't it exist already? > > LibGuides is limited, though the v2 API looks promising for client-side > stuff. We should be talking with Springshare about improving workflows for > admins -- such as (an example I came across today) being able to upload > more than one image at a time. And, in the meantime, there's other stuff we > can do now: community docs, templates, themes, best practices, etc. I've > been surprised by the lack of this material, considering how widely > LibGuides is implemented. > > Does anyone else find this stuff interesting? > > Alex > > > On 09/25/2014 05:48 PM, Cindi Blyberg wrote: > >> One more great guide to share - a literary journal from a k12 in >> Australia: >> >> >> http://home2.scotch.wa.edu.au/theraven_winter2014 >> >> For you LG admins out there - it's a series of RT content types that's >> governed by an external stylesheet. They have LibGuides CMS, and this >> private guide is in its own group. >> >> *back to lurking* >> >> On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 2:00 PM, Cindi Blyberg <[log in to unmask]> >> wrote: >> >> Jesse reminds me that I meant to point out that there is a "Paste from >>> Word" button in the RTE that will strip out all that microsoft nonsense. >>> Not quite what you were asking for (suppressing tags from the RTE--I >>> passed >>> that suggestion on to the devs) but it's what we refer people to who >>> break >>> their formatting accidentally with a massive paste. There's also a >>> "Paste >>> as Plain Text" button that has a similar effect. >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 1:32 PM, Jesse Martinez <[log in to unmask]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> I can commiserate! >>>> >>>> The tactic we've used at our university was to use the data migration >>>> from >>>> LGv1 to LGv2 as a means to convene guide authors and rethink >>>> * the future overall layout of our guides (new side menu has been our >>>> design choice but complicates preexisting three- and four-column >>>> layouts); >>>> * their intended use (pastiche of related but independent boxes on the >>>> guide or something with a simple flow/concise content -- it's a >>>> philosophical discussion, for sure); >>>> * breakdown of content (when it is appropriate to have long detailed >>>> pages >>>> or break down into sub-pages, which have their own issues...); >>>> * the strict use of accessibility policies (must set up strict policies >>>> about funky colors & fonts, minimize use HTML tables, content column >>>> layout >>>> w.r.t. responsive design, etc.). >>>> >>>> I feel our internal conversations and meetings about rethinking >>>> LibGuides >>>> v2 with our staff have gone over well, and reiterating appropriate "best >>>> practices" or suggestions whenever I field a LibGuides question have >>>> birthed some improvements in guide construction. It's an ongoing battle, >>>> of >>>> course! >>>> >>>> There are some heavy-handed tactics in place here too. For instance >>>> we've >>>> hidden the Fonts button in the guide editor using CSS. >>>> >>>> span#cke_12 {display:none;} >>>> >>>> This doesn't stop custom html or copy/pasting Word content (ugh) from >>>> getting through, but it does allows us to say, "nope, we're not >>>> supporting >>>> Comic Sans!" >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Joshua Welker <[log in to unmask]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I lol'ed several times reading your message. I feel the pain. Well, it >>>>> >>>> is >>>> >>>>> nice to know I am not alone. You are right that this in particular is >>>>> an >>>>> organizational problem and not a LibGuides problem. But unfortunately >>>>> it >>>>> has been an organizational problem at both of the universities where >>>>> >>>> I've >>>> >>>>> worked that use LibGuides, and it sounds like it is a problem at many >>>>> other libraries. I'm not sure what it is about LibGuides that brings >>>>> out >>>>> the most territorial and user-marginalizing aspects of the librarian >>>>> psyche. >>>>> >>>>> Does anyone have any positive experience in dealing with this? I am on >>>>> >>>> the >>>> >>>>> verge of just manually enforcing good standards even though it will >>>>> >>>> create >>>> >>>>> a lot of enmity. LibGuides CMS has a publishing workflow feature that >>>>> would force all guide edits to be approved by me so that I could stamp >>>>> this stuff out each time it happens. >>>>> >>>>> To enforce, or not to enforce, that is the question-- >>>>> Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows of >>>>> outrageously poor usability, >>>>> Or to take arms against a sea of ugly guides, >>>>> And by forcing compliance with standards and best practices, end them? >>>>> >>>>> Josh Welker >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Code for Libraries [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf >>>>> Of >>>>> Will Martin >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 11:34 AM >>>>> To: [log in to unmask] >>>>> Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] LibGuides v2 - Templates and Nav >>>>> >>>>> 4. Admin controls are not very granular. With most aspects of editing >>>>>> a guide, you either have the option of locking down styles and >>>>>> templates completely (and oh your colleagues will howl) or allowing >>>>>> everything (and oh your eyeballs will scream). Some of these things >>>>>> could very well be improved in the future, and some probably will not. >>>>>> >>>>> This! My librarians have successfully resisted every attempt to impose >>>>> any kind of standardization. Visual guidelines? Nope. Content >>>>> guidelines? Nope. Standard system settings? Nope. Anything less >>>>> than >>>>> 100% free reign appears to be anathema to them. >>>>> >>>>> The result, predictably, is chaos. Our guides run the gamut. We have >>>>> everything: >>>>> >>>>> - Giant walls of text that no one ever reads. >>>>> >>>>> - Lovingly crafted lists of obscure library sources that rarely (if >>>>> ever) bear any relation to what the patron is actually trying to do. >>>>> >>>>> - A thriving ecosystem of competing labels. Is it "Article Indexes", >>>>> "Article Databases", just plain "Databases", or something more exotic? >>>>> Depends which apex predator rules this particular neck of the jungle. >>>>> >>>>> - Green text on pink backgrounds with maroon borders. Other pages in >>>>> >>>> the >>>> >>>>> same guide might go with different, equally eye-twisting color schemes. >>>>> I'm not even sure how he's doing that without access to the style >>>>> sheet, >>>>> but he's probably taught himself just enough HTML to mangle things in >>>>> an >>>>> effort to use "friendly" colors. >>>>> >>>>> - Some guides have three or even FOUR rows of tabs. With drop-down >>>>> submenus on most of them, naturally. >>>>> >>>>> - A few are nicely curated and easy to use, but they're in a distinct >>>>> minority. >>>>> >>>>> I've tried. I've pushed peer-reviewed usability studies at them. I've >>>>> reported on conference sessions explaining exactly why all these things >>>>> are bad. I've brought them studies of our own analytics. I've had >>>>> students sit down and get confused in front of them. Nothing has >>>>> gotten >>>>> through, and being the only web type at the library, I'm outnumbered. >>>>> Just the thought of it makes me supremely tired. >>>>> >>>>> I'm sorry if this has digressed. LibGuides is not at fault, really. >>>>> It's an organizational problem. LibGuides just seems to be the flash >>>>> point for it. >>>>> >>>>> Will >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Jesse Martinez >>>> Web Services Librarian >>>> O'Neill Library, Boston College >>>> [log in to unmask] >>>> 617-552-2509 >>>> >>>> >>> -- Jesse Martinez Web Services Librarian O'Neill Library, Boston College [log in to unmask] 617-552-2509