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On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 6:51 AM Carol Kassel <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > ...... I know I'd love to hear that > someone wants to make things better and not just build shiny new things! > Amen. Just as you need to watch out for seagull managers, you also have to be wary of seagull systems people. A lot of the most important work is hidden deep beneath the surface. It's not all bad. Seagulls can help you identify interesting things -- both on and off the water, they can be seen far away circling above and dive bombing those doing real work in hopes of sharing the spoils. Plus, the racket they make can be fun to listen to. kyle