D Chudnov wrote:
> 1.  Why isn't the www.code4lib.org site already back up (at minimum)?
>
Because nobody is getting paid to sysadmin that machine?   To my mind,
it is clear that that machine was not being sysadmined up to
professional standards---but absolutely no-one, ever, committed to doing
that!  (Certainly a volunteer could commit to that too, it does not
require being paid--but nobody did).  It is a hobby machine. There was
no reason to expect that machine to be sysadmined to professional
standards. If you expected that, your expectations were mis-placed.

Now, this incident made everyone realize that the community in fact did
have a need for a host that was admin'ed to professional standards.  The
OSU proposal was a way of achieving that.

The official 'proposal' has not been sent to the list YET, but it will
be.  If you would like to make or solicit other proposals, you are free
to. This is the proposal that came out of the discussion in IRC
yesterday--it was the consensus of those in IRC. But not everyone could
make the IRC meeting, or maybe not everyone realized they had an
interest in it. That's okay, no final decisions were made, a proposal is
still forthcoming, and it will be sent to this list. You can still make
other proposals if you like. This is just the one that represented the
consensus of one IRC discussion.

Your concerns may not be misplaced Dan, and your interest is certainly
well-placed, but your anger is misplaced.

Jonathan


> When the server became unavailable during c4lc 2007, we were able to
> restore from offsite backups and have an "emergency-mode" snapshot
> live and useful within a matter of a few hours at most.  It seems this
> could have been done within a few days if there had been offsite
> backups available.
>
> 2.  Are there offsite backups of the www.code4lib.org site - its files
> and database?
>
> 3.  The discussion seemed to only involve one proposal.  There wasn't
> a call for any other proposals, and it wasn't clear to me that by
> missing this meeting (i was at a gathering with several other people
> with an interest in anvil and other things c4l) that I would miss out
> on any opportunity to have input.  I'd like to propose a different
> hosting plan.  Shouldn't there be a chance for more discussion here?
>
> 4.  Could somebody please post (to this list) an exact statement of
> what the current proposal is?
>
> 5.  Could somebody please post the transcript to the list?
>
>
> I understand that some of these questions might seem to be coming a
> bit late, and I'm sorry to be in a position where my jerkiness is all
> the worse because of it.  But I still think these are questions that
> need answers.
>
>   -Dan
>
>

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Johns Hopkins University
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