hi all,
in case you want to restore trac - presumably with subversion
repositories - i'd volunteer to admin these apps.
i guess i'm rather unknown, but looking at
https://dev.livingreviews.org/projects/ and
https://dev.livingreviews.org/projects/epubtk/
and https://dev.livingreviews.org/projects/epubtk/wiki/people/robert
might give you an idea.
regards,
robert

On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 9:50 PM, Jonathan Rochkind <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Good point, agreed. But we've got what we've got, and what we've got can
>  work better if we don't rely on Ryan (who has another job) only to admin
>  it.  Even if we had an agreed moratorium on ever adding anything else, I
>  still think we need to deal with a way to get other code4lib volunteers
>  to have shell access. Examples are me doing the planet; Jon Brinley
>  doing our WordPress install for the Journal; _someone_ taking on Wiki
>  admin, which right now pretty much nobody is doing (which is maybe fine,
>  it's working, but wouldn't we better off if someone did?).
>
>  [ I will admit that I have a personal interest in _replacing_ the
>  MediaWiki install with a DokuWiki install. But it's not fair to ask Ryan
>  to do that. We used to have a 'trac' wiki on the old anvil code4lib, and
>  when I asked Ryan to restore that functionality, he installed MediaWiki.
>  Which is great, but I'd rather have dokuwiki. If I can convince someone
>  to set it up for us. :)  But I shouldn't have even brought this up,
>  because even with no change to our suite of installed apps at all ever,
>  I think we still need to deal with the shell access issue, right? When
>  we put code4lib hosted at OSU, a selling point for some of us would be
>  that shell access for volunteers was possible. I don't think it's fair
>  to expect Ryan to do app-level admin beyond the bare minimum perhaps.
>  But with more than the bare minimum, we can get better services! ]
>
>  Jonathan
>
>
>
>  Ross Singer wrote:
>
> > While I have no comment on this particular issue (since nobody wants
> > me adminning *anything*), I would like to propose that before we set
> > up any new services/applications on code4lib.org, we talk about
> > whether or not any of the existing applications have functionality
> > that could suffice.
> >
> > I guess my point is, the level of ambivalence that this thread is
> > generating doesn't make me terribly hopeful for the longterm
> > sustainability of volunteer service admins.
> >
> > -Ross.
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 3:25 PM, Jonathan Rochkind <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > > Okay, so new plan for access to code4lib server, since nobody stepped up
> > >  to want to be an app admin junta. :)  Subject to approval by Ryan and
> > >  Jeff, of course.  Recall that Ryan and Jeff at OSU say they are ready
> to
> > >  grant shell access to code4libbers, but weren't sure how to figure out
> > >  _who_ to grant access too--granting access to any random person that
> > >  emails Ryan/Jeff seems like a bad idea of course!  So they were open to
> > >  suggestion from us.
> > >
> > >  The idea last time was that there should be one or two or three people
> > >  that take overall responsibility for app-level admin on that machine,
> > >  who could then grant access to others. (Recall that Ryan is still
> > >  overall root sysadmin responsible for OS stuff, just not for our apps).
> > >  Which was a fine plan, but nobody said they wanted to do it. :)
> > >
> > >  So new plan. If someone has a need for shell access (because they want
> > >  to be responsible for management of one of our apps; Like the WordPress
> > >  for the Journal; or the Drupal; or the wiki; or the planet;  including
> > >  possibly new apps that the code4lib community wants)---they email this
> > >  code4lib list explaining what they are going to do, and that they are
> > >  qualified to do it without messing it up. :)  We, in our usual way, nit
> > >  pick it to death and debate it. But eventually a rough consensus is
> > >  reached. And Ryan grants the shell access.  If someone thinks it's a
> > >  horrible idea to give that person shell access, then I guess it doesn't
> > >  go forward. I don't see the need for any actual 'voting', I think
> mostly
> > >  it'll just work out. (For instance, Ryan already pre-emptively gave me
> > >  shell access to add new feeds to the planet. If I had emailed the list
> > >  and said that, which I'm doing now, everyone would have just ignored it
> > >  and/or said, cool.)
> > >
> > >  So?
> > >
> > >  Jonathan
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > On 3/21/08 8:13 AM, "Jonathan Rochkind" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > So as many of you know, OSU is now hosting the code4lib.org server,
> with
> > > > > the various code4lib community apps running on it. Jeremy Frumkin's
> > > > > group hosts it, and Ryan Ordway does the heavy sysadmin lifting.
> > > > >
> > > > > They're now ready to start granting other people shell access to the
> > > > > machine to manage/admin apps. This was part of the original plan
> when
> > > > > hosting moved to OSU.  While Ryan provides basic sysadmining and
> > > > > security, the intention isn't neccesarily for him to manage
> individual
> > > > > apps, but instead to take advantage of interested code4lib
> volunteers to
> > > > > do this--essentially how things worked before OSU hosted the
> code4lib
> > > > > server. More hands means less work. (Sometimes, to an extent. :) ).
> > > > >
> > > > > So the question for the community is--how the heck should Jeremy and
> > > > > Ryan determine _who_ to give shell access to? Pre-OSU hosting,
> code4lib
> > > > > was hosted by a defined group of code4libbers who chipped in for
> hosting
> > > > > fees, and were the only ones who had shell access. If you wanted
> shell
> > > > > access, as I understand it, you'd have to talk to them about
> becoming a
> > > > > member of their 'cooperative', and they'd decide whether that would
> > > > > happen or not.  Now, with OSU hosting... what should happen? It
> probably
> > > > > doesn't make sense that any Joe Schmoe that nobody's heard of can
> just
> > > > > email Ryan and automatically get shell access. So ruling that
> out....
> > > > > any ideas?    Maybe if you want shell access to manage a particular
> > > > > application, you email the code4lib listserv, and....   then what?
> Not
> > > > > sure.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jonathan
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >  --
> > >  Jonathan Rochkind
> > >  Digital Services Software Engineer
> > >  The Sheridan Libraries
> > >  Johns Hopkins University
> > >  410.516.8886
> > >  rochkind (at) jhu.edu
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>  --
>  Jonathan Rochkind
>  Digital Services Software Engineer
>  The Sheridan Libraries
>  Johns Hopkins University
>  410.516.8886
>  rochkind (at) jhu.edu
>