Bucknell, Terry wrote:
> If your institution uses EZproxy then you can of course link to ticTOCs via EZproxy and you should find that full-text articles are then available to your patrons (where entitled of course). That's what we do at Liverpool.
>   
It's the "where entitled" that is the sticking point. It's quite 
possible, and even likely, that some of the URLs referenced in ticTOCs 
are not entitled to my patrons.  This is a non-trivial problem.

I'm glad you're looking at reccommendations for best 
practices/standardization for publisher RSS feeds.

One of the key requirements, for the uses I can think of, is that for an 
article-level entry, either an OpenURL context object should be included 
in the entry somewhere (possibly using COinS), or structured citation 
information sufficient to construct an OpenURL context object should be 
included (normally, minimally issn, year, vol, issue, start page number).

I hope you consider that in your reccomendations.

Jonathan


> If your institution has configured a LibX toolbar and the publisher's feeds include DOIs then LibX turns those DOIs into OpenURL links.
>
> It sounds like what you would really like to be able to do though is to pre-query your link resolver to determine (and indicate) if you have full-text access. For that, I think you'd need all feeds to include DOIs and be structured consistently so that you could extract it, build and OpenURL and query your knowledgebase.
>
> Another aspect of ticTOCs is that we have a group who are looking to come up with a set of best practice recommendations for publishers, about how to structure their feeds and what to include in them. CrossRef are involved with this so the recommendations will certainly say that DOIs should be included, and the recommendations should be disseminated to publishers' technical people by CrossRef, so we do expect them to be taken up in time.
>
> Zetoc is free to UK universities - apologies for forgetting to take off my Limey blinkers!
>
>
> Terry Bucknell
> Electronic Resources Manager
> Sydney Jones Library
> University of Liverpool
> Chatham St, PO Box 123
> Liverpool, L69 3DA, UK
> Tel: +44 (0)151 794 2692
> Fax: +44 (0)151 794 2681
>
> ________________________________________
> From: Code for Libraries [[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Jonathan Rochkind [[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: 12 February 2009 17:13
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] ticTOCs makes its data available to developers
>
> I hadn't known about Zetoc either!  How did I miss that?
>
> They both seem very useful.
>
> One of the tricks with using ticTOCs, is that the RSS feeds (provided by
> the publisher) may include links to article full text that may or may
> not be accessible to any given institution's patrons, depending on
> whether that institution buys content from that publisher. Figuring out
> how to have software either filter out these inaccessible links, or even
> better yet figure out a way to generate an OpenURL link that might get
> the user to the full text for that article from a _different_ source --
> kind of tricky.
>
> I'm not quite sure how to deal with this yet, thinking about wanting to
> use TicTOCs stuff in my software. I am religiously opposed to giving
> users links to things they can't access, without warning.
>
> So in that sense, Zetoc is actually easier because it's simpler. Since
> it doesn't in fact come from the vendor(s), it shouldn't include any
> vendor-specific URLs, right?   It does less, but since it does it
> simpler, it's a bit more straightforward and 'normalized', I'm thinking.
>
> So I'm excited about looking into Zetoc (Umlaut service!), thanks for
> the pointer, I hadn't heard of Zetoc before.
>
> Jonathan
>
> Bucknell, Terry wrote:
>   
>> I'll do my best to clarify the differences between Zetoc and ticTOCs, as best as I understand them:
>>
>> Zetoc covers about 20,000 journals, including journals that are print-only, or that exist online but do not provide their own RSS feeds
>>
>> ticTOCs covers about 12,000, limited to journals that provide their own RSS feeds (so this excludes print-only journals in the main)
>>
>> Zetoc is based the British Library's acquisitions of print issues, with data re-keyed into to system, which means that it may be a few weeks between an issue being published an appearing in Zetoc.
>>
>> ticTOCs uses feeds from the publishers (or their online hosts), so they are as up to date as the publisher wants to make them. Sometimes ticTOCs offers the latest issue feed and the 'articles in press feed', if that is what the publishers offer.
>>
>> Zetoc only contains tables of contents
>>
>> ticTOCs contains whatever the publisher chooses to include in its feed, which may include abstracts, subject terms, DOIs, and graphical abstracts (especially for chemistry titles)
>>
>> Zetoc is hosted at MIMAS
>>
>> ticTOCs is hosted at MIMAS
>>
>> Zetoc provides email alerts of RSS feeds
>>
>> ticTOCs provides RSS feeds only (but it's getting much easier to get your feeds into your email client if that's the way you want to work, right?)
>>
>> So to summarise, Zetoc covers more journals, but ticTOCs should be more up to date and contains richer content.
>>
>>
>> Terry
>>
>>
>>
>> Terry Bucknell
>> Electronic Resources Manager
>> Sydney Jones Library
>> University of Liverpool
>> Chatham St, PO Box 123
>> Liverpool, L69 3DA, UK
>> Tel: +44 (0)151 794 2692
>> Fax: +44 (0)151 794 2681
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Code for Libraries [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Dr R. Sanderson
>> Sent: 12 February 2009 10:04
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] ticTOCs makes its data available to developers
>>
>> How does this compare to Zetoc at Mimas, which also provides RSS feeds
>> for journal ToCs?
>>
>> Rob
>>
>> On Thu, 12 Feb 2009, Boheemen, Peter van wrote:
>>
>>
>>     
>>> This is great !!! But don't forget the API !
>>>
>>> Peter
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Code for Libraries [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
>>> Bucknell, Terry
>>> Sent: woensdag 11 februari 2009 23:12
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: [CODE4LIB] ticTOCs makes its data available to developers
>>>
>>> As you may know, ticTOCs is a project funded by JISC in the UK to create
>>> a single, freely available source of RSS feeds for tables of contents -
>>> see http://www.tictocs.ac.uk/ . Our database now contains over 12,000
>>> journals from over 430 publishers. Up until now the only way to get
>>> feeds out of ticTOCs has been to use our web interface to search for
>>> feeds and then export them as an OPML file, or one at a time to a feed
>>> reader of your choice.
>>>
>>> We are working on creating APIs to let groups like the code4lib
>>> community extract our data in more flexible ways, but it has been
>>> pointed out to us - see
>>> http://robotlibrarian.billdueber.com/tictocs-give-us-a-file-pretty-prett
>>> y-pretty-please/ - that all you really need (at least at first) is a
>>> simple tab-delimited file that contains titles, ISSNs, and feed URIs for
>>> all of the journals in tocTOCs. We now provide precisely this at
>>> http://www.tictocs.ac.uk/text.php.
>>>
>>> We hope that you will use this data to populate your catalog, A-Z
>>> journals list or whatever with RSS feed icons/links, or embedded TOCs.
>>> We look forward to the day when SFX, SerialsSolutions and the like are
>>> all using our data!
>>>
>>> Although the project phase of ticTOCs is very nearly at end end, we are
>>> confident that we are very close to ensuring that the future of ticTOCs
>>> is assured for at least the next three years, and will continue to be
>>> free.
>>>
>>>
>>> Share and enjoy.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Terry Bucknell
>>> Electronic Resources Manager
>>> Sydney Jones Library
>>> University of Liverpool
>>> Chatham St, PO Box 123
>>> Liverpool, L69 3DA, UK
>>> Tel: +44 (0)151 794 2692
>>> Fax: +44 (0)151 794 2681
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>>     
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