You know, putting Dick Cheney is a pelican case might have solved a  
lot of problems later on.

- David

On 27-Aug-2009, at 13:30 , Rosalyn Metz wrote:

> ah good.  then we are agreeing.  strike the whole disagree with ed  
> portion
> of my email.
>
> also i like the pelican idea too.  it reminds me of dick cheney in an
> undisclosed location.
>
> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 1:15 PM, Edward M. Corrado <[log in to unmask] 
> >wrote:
>
>> Hi Roslyn,
>>
>> I probably wasn't clear.... I didn't mean to say don't use cloud  
>> storage if
>> you think it is a good solution, in many cases it could be. I meant  
>> that if
>> you really want to preserve your data you need to do more than put  
>> it in the
>> cloud (or for that matter on a local storage device). It is not a  
>> panacea.
>> Just like if you were housing it locally you need to make sure you  
>> have
>> redundant copies.
>>
>> Edward
>>
>>
>> Rosalyn Metz wrote:
>>
>>> I have to agree with Ed.  You should have a good policy in place for
>>> backing
>>> up your data.  Just throwing it on a server isn't a policy.
>>>
>>> At the same time I would have to disagree with Ed.  You should  
>>> look at S3
>>> as
>>> if it was your own server.  What is the guarantee that you supply  
>>> to your
>>> users with your own server.  The snap server we use here (instead  
>>> of S3)
>>> is
>>> the back up to a back up system already in place.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 9:52 AM, Edward M. Corrado <[log in to unmask]
>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Rosalyn's post  made me think of one more thing.... if you are  
>>>> looking
>>>> into
>>>> outside entities (such as we are), what are the terms of service  
>>>> and what
>>>> guarantee do they offer they won't lose your data? I believe that  
>>>> A3 does
>>>> not offer any guarantee, so if you go with them, you probably  
>>>> want to
>>>> have
>>>> some other form of storage as well. Even if they offered a  
>>>> guarantee,
>>>> what
>>>> good is it once they loose your documents you were trying to  
>>>> preserve?
>>>>
>>>> Edward Corrado
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rosalyn Metz wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Edward,
>>>>>
>>>>> Might I suggest you look into cloud computing services if you're  
>>>>> looking
>>>>> at
>>>>> different options. (I know you're all shocked I suggested it).   
>>>>> If our
>>>>> budget weren't so abysmal (and going to get worse) we would be  
>>>>> using it
>>>>> right now rather than the snap server we purchased with leftover  
>>>>> funds.
>>>>> The
>>>>> benefits of using the cloud is of course the elasticity it  
>>>>> offers you.
>>>>> The
>>>>> negative is that you have to pay to put your files into the  
>>>>> cloud and
>>>>> then
>>>>> pay again to take them out (and since we've already been slashed  
>>>>> 30% and
>>>>> are
>>>>> guaranteed another slash...that idea was shot down).
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course the major player out there is Amazon S3.  The problem  
>>>>> is that
>>>>> you
>>>>> can't use S3 via Amazon's Web Management Console.  But there is a
>>>>> company
>>>>> called RightScale (http://www.rightscale.com/index.php) which  
>>>>> has a web
>>>>> management console that allows you to upload files quickly and  
>>>>> easily
>>>>> without having to write scripts and what not.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, just my two cents.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rosalyn
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 8:10 AM, Edward Iglesias
>>>>> <[log in to unmask]>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> As I was trying to figure out what to do with half a terabyte of
>>>>>> archival TIFFS it occurred to me that perhaps someone else had  
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> problem.  We are starting to produce massive amounts of digital
>>>>>> objects (videos, archival TIFFS, audio interviews).  Up until  
>>>>>> now we
>>>>>> have been dealing with ways to display them to the public.  Now  
>>>>>> we are
>>>>>> starting to look at "dark archives" like OCLC's digital archive
>>>>>> product.  I would welcome any suggestions from those of you who  
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> dealt with this on an archival level.  It's one thing to stick  
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> stuff up on a server, but then what?  Our CIO suggested storage
>>>>>> appliances like this one
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.drobo.com/products/index.php
>>>>>>
>>>>>> but I am wary of the proprietary RAID system.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>>> Edward Iglesias
>>>>>> Systems Librarian
>>>>>> Central Connecticut State University
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>