Very true, however, since programming is not part of my core job duties, I'd
like to avoid spending much time on something I won't end up using.  But
that doesn't mean not exploring, I think it just means choosing carefully.
This discussion has steered me towards focusing on exploring things I'm
really interested in, rather than just trying everything that might be
available.


On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 10:40 AM, Jonathan Rochkind <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Taking time to explore is rarely a a waste of time in this area, because
> exploring is how you learn in programming/software engineering.
>
>
> marijane white wrote:
>
>> I may have worded that poorly, abstract reasons to choose a language was
>> exactly what I was looking for.
>>
>> Your suggestion matches my natural inclinations, I think I just needed
>> some
>> reassurance that taking the time to explore wouldn't be a waste of time.
>> Thank you. =)
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 7:13 PM, Ross Singer <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> I realize you didn't want to start a religious war nor were you
>>> interested in the abstract reasons people chose a particular language,
>>> that being said...
>>>
>>> I honestly think choosing the best* development language is very
>>> similar to how one settles on politics, religion, diet, etc.
>>> Environment plays a part, of course, but, in the end, what generally
>>> works best is the language that jibes best with you and your
>>> personality.  Since you've dabbled with several different languages,
>>> you've had to have come across this - some languages just "feel
>>> better" than others.  This is, however, an entirely personal choice.
>>>
>>> Dan Chudnov, for example, seems to think in Python.  When I tried
>>> Python, it never really clicked -- I muddled through a few projects
>>> but never really got it.  I then got introduced to Ruby, everything
>>> made sense, and I never looked back.  I recently did a project in
>>> Groovy/Grails and my takeaway was that it was a scripting language
>>> that only somebody that had spent their career as a Java developer
>>> could love.  My coworker (who has spent his career as a Java
>>> developer) LOVES Groovy.  He thinks Ruby is a Fisher-Price language.
>>> To each their own.
>>>
>>> Since you don't seem to have institutional constraints on what you can
>>> develop in, I would recommend you try something like this:
>>>
>>> Take a handful of languages that look interesting to you and try
>>> writing a simple app to take some of your data, model it and shove it
>>> into Solr and make an interface to look at it.  Solr's pretty perfect
>>> for this sort of project:  it's super simple to work with and
>>> immediately gives you something powerful and versatile to wrap your
>>> app around.  If you can't make something useful quickly around Solr,
>>> then move on to the next language because that one's not for you.
>>>
>>> If the ones that click happen to be PHP, Python or Ruby, well, there
>>> you go.  If not, I, for one, look forward to your new Lua (or
>>> whatever) based discovery interface.
>>>
>>> Ultimately, any project you choose for your discovery interface is
>>> going to require a lot of customization to make it work the way you
>>> want -- the key is finding the environment that stands the least in
>>> the way between turning what's in your head into a working app.
>>>
>>> Good luck,
>>> -Ross.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 6:04 PM, marijane white <[log in to unmask]
>>> >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Greetings Code4Lib,
>>>>
>>>> Long time lurker, first time poster here.
>>>>
>>>> I've been turning over this question in my mind for a few weeks now, and
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Joe
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hourcle's postscript in the Online PHP Course thread has prompted me to
>>>> finally try to ask it. =)
>>>>
>>>> I'm interested in hearing how the members of this list have gone about
>>>> choosing development platforms for their library coding projects and/or
>>>> existing open source projects (ie like VuFind vs Blacklight).  For
>>>>
>>>>
>>> example,
>>>
>>>
>>>> did you choose a language you already were familiar with?  One you
>>>> wanted
>>>>
>>>>
>>> to
>>>
>>>
>>>> learn more about?  Does your workplace have a standard enterprise
>>>> architecture/platform that you are required to use?  If you have chosen
>>>>
>>>>
>>> to
>>>
>>>
>>>> implement an existing open source project, did you choose based on the
>>>> development platform or project maturity and features or something else?
>>>>
>>>> Some background -- thanks to my undergraduate computer engineering
>>>>
>>>>
>>> studies,
>>>
>>>
>>>> I have a pretty solid understanding of programming fundamentals, but
>>>> most
>>>>
>>>>
>>> of
>>>
>>>
>>>> my pre-LIS work experience was in software testing and did not require
>>>> me
>>>>
>>>>
>>> to
>>>
>>>
>>>> employ much of what I learned programming-wise, so I've mostly dabbled
>>>>
>>>>
>>> over
>>>
>>>
>>>> the last decade or so.  I've got a bit of experience with a bunch of
>>>> languages and I'm not married to any of them.   I also kind of like
>>>>
>>>>
>>> having
>>>
>>>
>>>> excuses to learn new ones.
>>>>
>>>> My situation is this: I would like to eventually implement a discovery
>>>>
>>>>
>>> tool
>>>
>>>
>>>> at MPOW, but I am having a hell of a time choosing one.  I'm a solo
>>>> librarian on a content team at a software and information services
>>>>
>>>>
>>> company,
>>>
>>>
>>>> so I'm not really tied to the platforms used by the software engineering
>>>> teams here.  I know a bit of Ruby, so I've played with Blacklight some,
>>>>
>>>>
>>> got
>>>
>>>
>>>> it to install on Windows and managed to import a really rough Solr
>>>> index.
>>>> I'm more attracted to the features in VuFind, but I don't know much PHP
>>>>
>>>>
>>> yet
>>>
>>>
>>>> and I haven't gotten it installed successfully yet.  My collection's
>>>> metadata is not in an ILS (yet) and not in MARC, so I've also considered
>>>> trying out more generic approaches like ajax-solr (though I don't know a
>>>>
>>>>
>>> lot
>>>
>>>
>>>> of javascript yet, either).  I've also given a cursory look at SOPAC and
>>>> Scriblio.  My options are wide open, and I'm having a rough time
>>>> deciding
>>>> what direction to go in.  I guess it's kind of similar to someone who is
>>>>
>>>>
>>> new
>>>
>>>
>>>> to programming and attempting to choose their first language to learn.
>>>>
>>>> I will attempt to head off a programming language religious war =) by
>>>> stating that I'm not really interested in the virtues of one platform
>>>>
>>>>
>>> over
>>>
>>>
>>>> another, moreso the abstract reasons one might have for selecting one.
>>>> Have any of you ever been in a similar situation?  How'd you get
>>>> yourself
>>>> unstuck?  If you haven't, what do you think you might do in a situation
>>>>
>>>>
>>> like
>>>
>>>
>>>> mine?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -marijane
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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