Quoting "Beacom, Matthew" <[log in to unmask]>:

Sometimes I feel like we should all have the FRBR diagram tattoo'd on  
our arms so we can consult it any time anywhere. :-)


>
> With as complex a thing as a film--so many "authors", images, music,  
> dialog, acting, sets, costume, etc., etc., etc., applying the FRBR  
> model is tough, and your implementation is quite sensible. However,  
> I had a small question about one thing you said about FRBR not  
> allowing language at the work level. That doesn't seem right to me.  
> How could the language of a thing that is primarily or even  
> partially a work made of language--like a novel or a motion picture  
> with spoken dialogue would not necessarily be considered at the work  
> level and not at some other level.

Matthew, I can't answer how it is possible but I can tell you that it  
is a fact: language is an attribute of Expression, not of Work. That's  
kind of the key meaning of frbr:Expression -- it is the Expression of  
the Work, and the Work doesn't exist until Expressed. So Work is a  
very abstract concept in FRBR. (Which is why more than one attempted  
implementation of FRBR that I have seen combines Work and Expression  
attributes in some way.)

Not only that, but Kelley's model uses something that I consider to be  
missing from FRBR: the concept of a "original Expression." For FRBR  
(and thus for RDA) all expressions are in a sense equal; there is no  
privileged first or original expression. Yet there is evidence that  
this is a useful concept in the minds of users. Some recent user  
studies [1] around FRBR showed that this is a concept that users come  
up with spontaneously. Also, I can't think of any field of study where  
knowing what the original expression of a work was wouldn't be  
important.

> Because of the way we treat translations--not just in FRBR--as what  
> FRBR calls expressions not as new works, a translation from the  
> original language to another would be considered an FRBR expression.  
> Could you explain this a bit more?

The FRBR relationship "translation of" is an Expression-to-Expression  
relationship. (See my personal "cheat sheet" of RDA/FRBR relationships  
[2]).

kc
[1] http://www.asis.org/asist2010/abstracts/75.html
[2] http://kcoyle.net/rda/group1relsby.html

>
> Thank you.
>
> Matthew
>
>
>
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>
>> This also allowed us to get around some of the areas of more
>> orthodox FRBR modeling that we found unhelpful. For example, FRBR
>> doesn't allow language at the Work level, but we think it is
>> important to record the original language of a moving image at the
>> top level.
>



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