Rowan, I think a caged computer is the best way to go to house the software.
As far as software goes, I've been looking into some open source library
systems. I wonder if perhaps NewGenLib might work for you.
http://www.verussolutions.biz/web/ They state that they system will fully
automate within 4 days, but that seems to be a bit of a hefty claim, in my
opinion.
Nicole
On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 3:12 PM, rowan eisner <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> So it is! It needs an external monitor that also needs power, but
> definitely
> one to keep in mind. Thanks Ross.
>
> On 7 October 2011 20:43, Ross Singer <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > By the time you're up and running, this http://www.raspberrypi.org/
> > may be an option for you, as well.
> >
> > A lot cheaper than an iPhone...
> > -Ross.
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 5:36 PM, rowan eisner <[log in to unmask]>
> > wrote:
> > > Well I thought that we could plug either an iphone or computer (eg
> > netbook
> > > or your dev. board) into an UPS and extend the battery life that way.
> It
> > > would be on standby most of the time. The longest it would have to last
> > > would be a week because any on the committee could plug it in while
> they
> > are
> > > in the library. And maybe other people could plug it in but it would
> have
> > > more chance of being left plugged in. Whatever we had would have to be
> > > secured and yes, it will be difficult to do and one of the reasons we
> do
> > > everything manually - nothing to steal. I used to run an undergrad
> > computer
> > > lab in the 80s that was unstaffed and everything tied down. People used
> > to
> > > nick the cables. I suppose the choice between an iphone and a computer
> > would
> > > be price and running time on an UPS.
> > >
> > > At the moment the only access to the internet from the library is over
> > the
> > > mobile phone net so whether we use computer or iphone the cost will be
> > the
> > > same. They have just put up poles for fibre optic, but I've learnt not
> to
> > > hold me breath over things like that.
> > >
> > > I have to say, it seems like the librarian is starting to consider it.
> > When
> > > I first brought it up 2 years ago the reaction was, we could never
> > automate
> > > here! I said something the other day about it taking 3 years and she
> > said,
> > > oh way longer than that. By then, who knows what there will be?
> > >
> > > On 7 October 2011 12:35, David Mayo <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > >
> > >> One other thing to consider with the iPhone is that it's going to be a
> > >> recurrent monthly fee, and that cellular internet tends to run more
> > >> expensive than regular internet collections. This could easily run
> over
> > >> replacement costs for a wired computer, for instance. Also, that
> while
> > a
> > >> regular computer might be a theft risk, an iPhone is a giant,
> > gold-plated
> > >> theft risk, in a super-portable size. Also, there's no way you're
> going
> > to
> > >> get a week's worth of service per charge out of it, while using it as
> a
> > >> terminal.
> > >>
> > >> - Dave Mayo
> > >>
> > >> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 11:41 AM, rowan eisner <[log in to unmask]>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Hi Nicole, people here tell me that computers get zapped even with
> > surge
> > >> > protectors here, or even with lightning protectors. Then someone
> told
> > me
> > >> > the
> > >> > other day that they need to be properly earthed and almost nothing
> is
> > >> here.
> > >> > One problem is I don't even know if there is such a thing as a real
> > >> > electrician here who understands how do do these things.
> > >> >
> > >> > At the moment we're looking at the WSSL trial because it would be a
> > big
> > >> > overhead to us to run our own software when we know nothing about
> it,
> > but
> > >> > we'll still need something to connect to it. I'm thinking that we
> cut
> > our
> > >> > losses by doing it as cheaply as possible and accept that that we'll
> > lose
> > >> > it
> > >> > occasionally - make it less worth stealing. The library is open and
> > >> > unstaffed 24hrs and people say nothing keeps thieves out. But Dave
> > Mayo
> > >> > pointed out you can get a kind of computer in a power plug now. Or
> we
> > >> could
> > >> > use an iphone. Then they could be plugged into an UPS and charged
> once
> > a
> > >> > week. That could work. We'd still need a cage and I don't really
> want
> > to
> > >> > encourage thieves to bring welding gear into the library!
> > >> >
> > >> > I don't know if we're going to be able to afford the WSSL system.
> They
> > >> > don't
> > >> > know how much it will cost yet. So we could end up having to run our
> > own
> > >> > system anyway. Even the WSSL system is more sophisticated than we
> > need.
> > >> We
> > >> > don't need a web site or to be able to place holds on books. All we
> > >> really
> > >> > need is a db with 2 tables - users and collection and queries to do
> > >> loans,
> > >> > returns and overdues. Hey, I could write it! But surely I don't have
> > to.
> > >> >
> > >> > If we went with your suggestion, what software would you suggest?
> > >> >
> > >> > Thanks
> > >> > Rowan
> > >> >
> > >> > On 7 October 2011 08:45, Nicole Miller <[log in to unmask]>
> > wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > > Rowan, you mentioned that a computer might be stolen or fried by
> > >> > lightning.
> > >> > > The more I read, the more I think a computer is the way to go, at
> > the
> > >> > very
> > >> > > least to set up the database. Is there a way you can use surge
> > >> protectors
> > >> > > and create a cage to go around the computer with it's scanner?
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Nicole
> > >> > > MLS Student
> > >> > > Southern Connecticut State University
> > >> > >
> > >> > > On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 11:50 AM, rowan eisner <
> > [log in to unmask]
> > >> > > >wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > Yes, I'm betting WSSL will be what we're looking for. It's
> whether
> > we
> > >> > can
> > >> > > > afford it and whether we can set up a secure self check point in
> > an
> > >> > > > unstaffed library that doesn't have to be plugged into power.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Thanks Cary
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > On 27 September 2011 07:51, Cary Gordon <[log in to unmask]>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > > I'll bet that WSSL has a report generator that, while not
> > >> necessarily
> > >> > > > > better than the eight of you, will allow you to more easily
> get
> > >> > > > > information about what your patrons are doing.
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > Cary
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 11:33 AM, rowan eisner <
> > >> > [log in to unmask]>
> > >> > > > > wrote:
> > >> > > > > > Wow, that's amazing. That certainly opens up possibilities.
> It
> > >> > would
> > >> > > be
> > >> > > > > > quite a challenge to get it all working buy they reckon it
> > takes
> > >> 3
> > >> > > > years
> > >> > > > > to
> > >> > > > > > barcode the books anyway, so it might keep me busy trying to
> > >> figure
> > >> > > it
> > >> > > > > out.
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > I signed up for WSSL and just said I was in Philadelphia and
> > >> > emailed
> > >> > > > them
> > >> > > > > > and it does look like a possibility if we can afford it.
> Maybe
> > >> the
> > >> > > > could
> > >> > > > > > license it out to a developing country to run it for the 3rd
> > >> world
> > >> > at
> > >> > > a
> > >> > > > > > tenth of the cost!
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > Thanks so much for all your help. I've called a committee
> > meeting
> > >> > > this
> > >> > > > > > afternoon. The librarian is very resistant to automating and
> > is
> > >> > > highly
> > >> > > > > > skeptical that it can be made to work here. In the mean time
> > >> eight
> > >> > of
> > >> > > > us
> > >> > > > > sit
> > >> > > > > > around on a monday afternoon being computers, just as they
> > have
> > >> for
> > >> > > the
> > >> > > > > last
> > >> > > > > > 60 years!
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > Cheers
> > >> > > > > > Rowan
> > >> > > > > > On 26 September 2011 09:43, David Mayo <[log in to unmask]>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > >> Here's an example of the kind of thing I'm talking about
> when
> > I
> > >> > say
> > >> > > > > >> "micro-development board":
> > >> > > > > >>
> > >> > > > > >>
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
> http://technabob.com/blog/2011/02/03/dreamplug-mini-power-plug-computer/This
> > >> > > > > >> isn't the best example - it's obviously being sold to a
> > certain
> > >> > > extent
> > >> > > > > >> as novelty hardware, and it shows, but something like this
> > could
> > >> > > work
> > >> > > > > >> fairly
> > >> > > > > >> well as a web server for the area.
> > >> > > > > >>
> > >> > > > > >> You can actually get substantially cheaper than this, if
> > you're
> > >> > > > willing
> > >> > > > > to
> > >> > > > > >> do some digging and/or do some component assembly -
> although,
> > of
> > >> > > > course,
> > >> > > > > >> then your mailing expenses might rise. It won't solve the
> > >> > lightning
> > >> > > > > >> problem
> > >> > > > > >> (which is fascinating/terrifying to me - outlet to device
> > arcing
> > >> > is
> > >> > > > > >> freaky!), but many of the small linux single-board
> computers
> > are
> > >> > low
> > >> > > > > enough
> > >> > > > > >> power draw that an APC or other battery solution could run
> > them
> > >> > for
> > >> > > a
> > >> > > > > long
> > >> > > > > >> time off of wall power; you'd need someone to unplug it
> when
> > the
> > >> > > storm
> > >> > > > > was
> > >> > > > > >> coming, but that's going to be true of the iPhone, too,
> > likely.
> > >> > > > > >>
> > >> > > > > >> If you were able to find or build the right software, I
> could
> > >> see
> > >> > > > > something
> > >> > > > > >> like this working as a server, with an iPod touch serving
> as
> > the
> > >> > > > > scanner,
> > >> > > > > >> for example. You could also (if you got one with a video
> > >> output)
> > >> > > > attach
> > >> > > > > a
> > >> > > > > >> scanner via USB, and use it for both check-in and
> check-out.
> > >> > > > > >>
> > >> > > > > >> If you do go the iDevice route (or Android, etc), you might
> > be
> > >> > able
> > >> > > to
> > >> > > > > get
> > >> > > > > >> away without a physical scanner attached - there are
> several
> > >> apps
> > >> > > that
> > >> > > > > do
> > >> > > > > >> barcode recognition through the devices' cameras.
> > >> > > > > >>
> > >> > > > > >> Hope at least some of this is helpful.
> > >> > > > > >>
> > >> > > > > >> - Dave
> > >> > > > > >>
> > >> > > > > >> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:24 AM, Roy Tennant <
> > >> > [log in to unmask]
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > > >> wrote:
> > >> > > > > >>
> > >> > > > > >> > From the person in a position to know: "We have not yet
> > >> figured
> > >> > > out
> > >> > > > > >> > pricing. We are definitely considering the needs of the
> > >> > > developing
> > >> > > > > >> > nations but don't have answers yet. At this point we are
> > most
> > >> > > > focused
> > >> > > > > >> > on the feature set that can be activated with no human
> > >> > > intervention.
> > >> > > > > >> > Looking for the intersection of the basic need and most
> > >> > > automatable
> > >> > > > > >> > (that probably is not a word)."
> > >> > > > > >> > Roy
> > >> > > > > >> >
> > >> > > > > >> > On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 3:14 PM, rowan eisner <
> > >> > > > [log in to unmask]>
> > >> > > > > >> > wrote:
> > >> > > > > >> > > Ok, I tried to sign up for WSSL and you have to be in
> US.
> > >> > Also,
> > >> > > if
> > >> > > > > it
> > >> > > > > >> > will
> > >> > > > > >> > > cost 'a cup of coffee a day' am I right that would be
> at
> > >> least
> > >> > > > $700
> > >> > > > > a
> > >> > > > > >> > year?
> > >> > > > > >> > > That's our entire annual budget. So probably only for
> > first
> > >> > > world
> > >> > > > > >> > countries
> > >> > > > > >> > > anyway. And you're meant to have one or two full-time
> > staff
> > >> > > which
> > >> > > > we
> > >> > > > > >> > don't
> > >> > > > > >> > > have. Still, I'll email them and see what they say.
> There
> > >> are
> > >> > > > > probably
> > >> > > > > >> > 1000s
> > >> > > > > >> > > of 3rd world libraries doing everything manually still
> > and
> > >> if
> > >> > > > there
> > >> > > > > are
> > >> > > > > >> > > economies of scale we may be able to afford it.
> > >> > > > > >> > >
> > >> > > > > >> > > Cheers
> > >> > > > > >> > > Rowan
> > >> > > > > >> > >
> > >> > > > > >> > > On 24 September 2011 17:10, David Mayo <
> > [log in to unmask]>
> > >> > > wrote:
> > >> > > > > >> > >
> > >> > > > > >> > >> It's so experimental, that it's having a Free *Trail*.
> > >> > > > > >> > >>
> > >> > > > > >> > >> That is a good suggestion, by the way - I'm just
> amused
> > by
> > >> > the
> > >> > > > > typo.
> > >> > > > > >> It
> > >> > > > > >> > >> appears twice on this page, once on the sign-up page,
> > and
> > >> > > perhaps
> > >> > > > > >> > >> elsewhere. Also, "absolutely" is misspelled as
> > >> "absolutley"
> > >> > on
> > >> > > > the
> > >> > > > > >> > sign-up
> > >> > > > > >> > >> page.
> > >> > > > > >> > >>
> > >> > > > > >> > >> - Dave Mayo
> > >> > > > > >> > >>
> > >> > > > > >> > >> On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 6:45 PM, Roy Tennant <
> > >> > > > [log in to unmask]
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > >> > wrote:
> > >> > > > > >> > >>
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > Actually, I have an even better option from OCLC:
> > >> > > > > >> > >> >
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > Web Site for Small Libraries (WSSL)
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > http://experimental.worldcat.org/lib/
> > >> > > > > >> > >> >
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > It is really aimed at very small libraries, so it is
> > very
> > >> > > easy
> > >> > > > to
> > >> > > > > >> use
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > but still has some basic circulation capabilities.
> > It's
> > >> in
> > >> > > free
> > >> > > > > >> trial
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > mode now, so take a look and see if it does what you
> > >> need.
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > Roy Tennant
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > OCLC Research
> > >> > > > > >> > >> >
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 12:22 AM, JONATHAN LEBRETON
> <
> > >> > > > > >> > [log in to unmask]
> > >> > > > > >> > >> >
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > wrote:
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > You may be able to do something with OCLCs
> so-called
> > >> Web
> > >> > > > > >> Management
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > System whereby your OPAC (in the form of WorldCat
> > local.)
> > >> > > and
> > >> > > > > circ
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > functions are in the cloud..
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > Jonathan LeBreton
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > Senior Associate University Librarian
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > Temple University Libraries
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > Philadelphia PA 19122
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > Voice: 215-204-3184
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > Fax: 215-204-5201
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > Mobile: 215-284-5070
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > [log in to unmask]
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > [log in to unmask]
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > From: rowan eisner [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 11:51 PM
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > To: [log in to unmask] <
> > [log in to unmask]
> > >> >
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Can a library automate
> > without
> > >> a
> > >> > > > > computer
> > >> > > > > >> > yet?
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > Hi Dave
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > It's an honesty system, card based, the way most
> > >> > community
> > >> > > > > >> libraries
> > >> > > > > >> > >> used
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > to
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > work before computers. Because it's unstaffed
> about
> > 15%
> > >> > of
> > >> > > > > books
> > >> > > > > >> > aren't
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > returned but we get a similar amount of donations.
> > So
> > >> we
> > >> > > have
> > >> > > > > that
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > constant
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > churn to take in and out of a card catalog
> manually.
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > We need borrowers to be able to check out books. I
> > was
> > >> > > > thinking
> > >> > > > > >> > maybe
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > with a
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > scanner attached to an iphone running an app. I
> > didn't
> > >> > > think
> > >> > > > > >> > >> librarything
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > could do circulation. I thought it was just a
> > catalog.
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > What do you reckon?
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > Cheers
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > Rowan
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > On 23 September 2011 21:34, David Mayo <
> > >> > [log in to unmask]>
> > >> > > > > wrote:
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> I think it's going to be difficult to find a
> > solution
> > >> > > that's
> > >> > > > > >> > entirely
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > cloud
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> based.
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >>
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> What functionality do you need? If you have a
> very
> > >> > limited
> > >> > > > > subset
> > >> > > > > >> > of
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> ILS/OPAC functions in mind, theoretically a
> > >> LibraryThing
> > >> > > > paid
> > >> > > > > >> > account
> > >> > > > > >> > >> or
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> similar quasi-library service might suffice.
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >>
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> I'm having trouble understanding how circulation
> > >> > works/is
> > >> > > > > >> expected
> > >> > > > > >> > to
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > work
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> when librarians aren't present. Is there a
> > sign-out
> > >> > > sheet?
> > >> > > > > How
> > >> > > > > >> do
> > >> > > > > >> > >> you
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> monitor for lossage?
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >>
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> - Dave Mayo
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >>
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:42 PM, rowan eisner <
> > >> > > > > >> > [log in to unmask]
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> >wrote:
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >>
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> > Thanks Esme
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> >
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> > No, the library is open all hours but
> volunteers
> > >> just
> > >> > > come
> > >> > > > > in 2
> > >> > > > > >> > hrs
> > >> > > > > >> > >> a
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> week.
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> > I'm not sure how it could work but if we leave
> > >> > anything
> > >> > > > > plugged
> > >> > > > > >> > in
> > >> > > > > >> > >> it
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> will
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> > get stolen or struck by lightning. We're in
> cloud
> > >> > > forest.
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> >
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> > With koha and open-ils do we have to run the
> > >> software
> > >> > on
> > >> > > a
> > >> > > > > >> server
> > >> > > > > >> > or
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > do
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> we
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> > just get an account on an existing system?
> > Running a
> > >> > > > system
> > >> > > > > >> > >> ourselves
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> might
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> > take a lot for us to figure out.
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> >
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> > Cheers
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> > Rowan
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> >
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> > On 23 September 2011 16:38, Cowles, Esme <
> > >> > > > [log in to unmask]
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > >> > wrote:
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> >
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> > > Rowan-
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> > >
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> > > Having a hosted catalog and circ system seems
> > very
> > >> > > easy
> > >> > > > to
> > >> > > > > >> do.
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > There
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> are
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> > > several open source library systems such as
> > Koha
> > >> and
> > >> > > > > >> Evergreen
> > >> > > > > >> > >> that
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> might
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> > > suit your needs:
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> > >
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> > > http://www.koha.org/
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> > >
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> > > http://open-ils.org/
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> > >
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> > > Are there volunteers present the entire time
> > the
> > >> > > library
> > >> > > > > is
> > >> > > > > >> > open
> > >> > > > > >> > >> to
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> > > borrowers? Or are you counting on borrowers
> > >> having
> > >> > > > > >> smartphones
> > >> > > > > >> > to
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> > complete
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> > > self-checkout?
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> > >
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> > > -Esme
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> > > --
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> > > Esme Cowles <[log in to unmask]>
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> > >
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> > > "I don't need to be forgiven." -- The Who,
> Baba
> > >> > > O'Reilly
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> > >
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> > > On Sep 23, 2011, at 3:27 PM, rowan eisner
> > wrote:
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> > >
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> > > > Apologies if this is the wrong forum, but
> if
> > >> > anyone
> > >> > > > can
> > >> > > > > >> point
> > >> > > > > >> > me
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > in
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> the
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> > > > right direction...
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> > > > We have an unstaffed library and can't
> leave
> > a
> > >> > > > computer
> > >> > > > > in
> > >> > > > > >> > it.
> > >> > > > > >> > >> Is
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> there
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> > a
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> > > > way to automate
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> > > > 1) with no computer - do circulation and
> > catalog
> > >> > in
> > >> > > > the
> > >> > > > > >> > cloud.
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> > Volunteers
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> > > > bring in laptops to do circulation and
> > clients
> > >> > > access
> > >> > > > > >> catalog
> > >> > > > > >> > >> with
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> > > iphones
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> > > > 2) that doesn't cost a fortune
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> > > > Thanks so much
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> > > > Rowan
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> > >
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> >
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >>
> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >
> > >> > > > > >> > >> >
> > >> > > > > >> > >>
> > >> > > > > >> > >
> > >> > > > > >> >
> > >> > > > > >>
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > --
> > >> > > > > Cary Gordon
> > >> > > > > The Cherry Hill Company
> > >> > > > > http://chillco.com
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >
> >
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