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On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Jason Stirnaman <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> I agree that conference-ish things are mostly not broken, and that we
> should keep talking about this in order to make them better. I also
> think Tim makes an important point here:
> >>then let's not separate the two parts of C4L conf like a
> traditional conference
> Why do we need to define workshops or hackfests as "pre-conference"?
> Why not just say "this is the conference: hackfests, workshops, talks,
> great people, and brew-tasting"? And maybe more people would participate
> or benefit if hackfest was "middle-conference" or "post-conference",
> i.e. after they're spurred by presentations and ready to dive in.
> And couch-surfing ++
> I'm expecting I won't get to spend my library's entire travel budget to
> attend C4L this year and lodging obviously accounts for a huge chunk of
> that. If not, I'll just save up my bottles of KC's finest for next year
> and hope some newcomer replaces me in the registration rush.
> Jason Stirnaman
> Biomedical Librarian, Digital Projects
> A.R. Dykes Library, University of Kansas Medical Center
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>>>> On 11/10/2011 at 11:01 AM, in message
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> Cary Gordon <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> In the grand scheme of things, $150 for a conference is very low, and
> $320 for a pre conference is low, as well. This doesn't make them
> cheap or mean that everyone who would like to go, can go. I fully
> understand that $25 is in inconsequential amount of money… Unless it
> is your $25.
> I think that there is consensus that we want to keep c4l at its
> current size, and I think that money shouldn't be the primary factor
> determining attendance.
> Perhaps it would be good if we raised our price to $200 or $250,
> increased our sponsorship fundraising efforts, and used the excess to
> provide partial and full (including travel and lodging) scholarships
> for those who need them.
> Maybe we should encourage local couch surfing hosts.
> We should keep talking about this.
> On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 9:11 PM, Timothy McGeary <[log in to unmask]>
>>> At $150 for registration, I agree with Kyle, that this is a very
> good price
>>> in comparison to most technical conferences. Perhaps you could
> consider the
>>> extra airfare and hotel room night as the price of the
>> The extra airfare and hotel, in this case, is $320 per person.
> Hardly a
>> reasonable comparison.
>> I realize that I'm now looking at this from a different perspective
>> when I was a first time Code4Libber, when I was simply try to soak it
>> in and build a network of people I could work with on projects that I
>> my library were interested in. Now I have to be concerned with
>> and getting people other than myself to C4L so they can join the
>> and contribute.
>> If the price points of rentals goes down because of the preconf day
>> the costs are mostly a wash, then that's great, but then let's not
>> the two parts of C4L conf like a traditional conference, or put such
>> emphasis on the "participation" in a preconf that undermines or
>> the participation of someone coming to the conference days
> themselves. We
>> can't have it both ways. Code4Lib conferences *ARE* unique and they
>> invaluable to many, many, many people who are fortunate enough to A)
>> register in time and B) can afford to come at all. So let's not
>> this by presuming or assuming anything, rather take extra care in
>> protecting this event as a treasure, lest all of the tireless efforts
>> conference planners put forth be for naught.
>> The last thing I'd want to see is C4L be under attended because
>> couldn't justify reasonable costs to their organization due to lack
>> information, openness, or mere confusion.
>> Tim McGeary
>> Team Leader, Library Technology
>> Lehigh University
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>> On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 6:26 PM, Fowler, Jason <[log in to unmask]>
>>> > let people completely fend for themselves w/r/t to food/drink on
>>> preconference day.
>>> Coders consume from the "flat" food group. Anything that fits
> beneath a
>>> On 11-11-09 3:12 PM, "Kevin S. Clarke" <[log in to unmask]<mailto:
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>>> On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 1:41 PM, Kyle Banerjee <[log in to unmask]
>>> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>>> Yes, we have. We've even had people want to come to the
>>> (and pay the preconference charge) but not attend the regular
>>> conference. :-)
>>> They've wanted to do it, but have they actually been able to? What
>>> c4l worthwhile is the ability to mix it up. If people attend with
>>> intention of just receiving specific training, they're not
> contributing and
>>> that undermines the experience for everyone.
>>> Yes... at least at the Asheville conference (though there were just
>>> C4l has seen both free and paid preconferences and it's easy enough
>>> rationalize either.
>>> Having put on a paid preconference, I think if I were to do it
>>> I'd make it free. We received several comments about the lack of
>>> at the Asheville preconference (though we had coffee). I think
>>> a price attached to it leads to expectations like that. Perhaps it
>>> better to just say "The preconference is free... the price for the
>>> conference is $150" ... let people completely fend for themselves
>>> w/r/t to food/drink on the preconference day.
> Cary Gordon
> The Cherry Hill Company