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NDSA-CONTENT  April 2012, Week 2

NDSA-CONTENT April 2012, Week 2

Subject:

Re: Meeting Minutes from today's call

From:

David Kepley <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

The NDSA Content working group list <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 9 Apr 2012 14:56:34 -0400

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Sorry to be coming to the discussion late without the background that
the rest of you have, so please permit a few naive questions.

What does it get us to say that a collection is in an institution that
self-certifies at the [fill in the blank] level?  If the collection is
in an institution that is at the silver level, for example, what do we
expect to do with that information?  Are we trying to encourage that
institution to work at going up a level?  If so, then that seems like a
separate question from what content they may have in their possession. 
Or are we subtly trying to encourage those at the Silver level and below
to surrender their content to an institution at a higher level?  I guess
I thought the point of the content group is to ensure that valuable
digital content has a home in an institution.  Sorry if I am just not
getting it!

 


DAVID R. KEPLEY
Preservation Programs (RX)
Office of Research Services
tel: 301-837-1878
fax: 301-837-3232
Blackberry:  301-974-7419
email:  [log in to unmask]


>>> "Cornwall, Daniel D (EED)" <[log in to unmask]> 4/9/2012
2:00 PM >>>
Hi All,

As I understood our charge, our action team was supposed to develop a
registry where digital collections under active digital preservation
measures could be identified. If the desire of this group is to add
collections that are not under active digital preservation measures,
then we should just put our collections in the digitization registry of
our choice and not attempt a PRESERVATION registry. 

I say this as an institution who cannot yet lay claim to level 1. I
feel bad about this, but the answer isn't to lower the bar so we can
feel better about ourselves.

I've attached our last draft outlining the levels, which were sent out
for comment to this group last year. We derived these levels from
several sources including an ALA/ALCTS definition at
http://www.ala.org/ala/mgrps/divs/alcts/resources/preserv/defdigpres0408.cfm
and the Digital Preservation Coalition at
http://www.dpconline.org/advice/preservationhandbook/introduction/definitions-and-concepts.
OAIS and TRAC were considered, but as others have noted, those two
systems are even more extensive that what we've proposed.

If the preservation levels are adjusted, it should be on the basis of
whether, in the Content Group's judgment, an institution that follows
the recommendations provided at the lowest level would be able to access
their collection at some period in the future (say 10 or 20 years). If
we can't provide that level of prescription, then we should give up on
having annotations of preservation levels. Digitization registries are
plentiful and easy to join, we don't need another. 

Sincerely,

=======================================
Daniel Cornwall
Head of Technical and Imaging Services
Division of Libraries, Archives and Museums
PO Box 110571
Juneau, AK 99811-0571
Phone (907) 465-6332 
Fax (907) 465-2665 
E-Mail: [log in to unmask] 
Web: http://lam.alaska.gov. 
NOTE: I first check e-mail at 9:00am. If you need to reach me before
then, please call.








-----Original Message-----
From: The NDSA Content working group list
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
Moffatt, Christie (NIH/NLM) [E]
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 6:52 AM
To: [log in to unmask] 
Subject: Re: [NDSA-CONTENT] Meeting Minutes from today's call

I like the idea of the additional values of "Undetermined" and "Less
than one" if we want to keep the preservation level field as a required
one.  We could also consider something like "Assessment needed" or "To
be determined" to add more action to the response.

I am still thinking that we might best be able to achieve the goal of
"developing or contributing to a registry of content already preserved
by NDSA members" if the preservation level field is an optional one. 
Completing the level information could then be a second step once
c
ollections are identified.  

Is there any way we can take advantage of the partners meeting this
summer to gather preservation level information?  Should we consider
reaching out to institutions on the NDIIPP collections page for
information on their preservation levels? That information could then be
added to the content registry. 

Christie


Christie Moffatt
Digital Manuscripts Program
History of Medicine Division
National Library of Medicine
Building 38, Room 1E-21
8600 Rockville Pike
Bethesda, MD 20894
Phone: 301-496-9136
Fax: 301-402-7034



  
  

-----Original Message-----
From: John Weise [mailto:[log in to unmask]] 
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 4:47 PM
To: [log in to unmask] 
Subject: Re: [NDSA-CONTENT] Meeting Minutes from today's call

Sorry I was not on the last call. Thanks for the notes.

Regarding levels, and more generally the registry submission process, I
have a few thoughts.

It probably *would* help to make the levels field optional. Another
approach would be to keep it required, but allow a couple of additional
values, "Undetermined", and "Less than 1" or something similar. It's
slightly more informative than no value, and slightly more accepting
than requiring values of 1-3. If totally optional, it is too easy to not
provide an answer out of laziness (looking in the mirrror, here). Just a
thought. I also like Abby Rumsey's ideas on this matter.

I think the Subject Matter field is a little daunting, especially for
an organization with a lot of collections. It's not horrible, but for
Michigan it is the difference between being able to generate a completed
spreadsheet with ~175 collections in it using a single database query,
and having to manually edit 175 rows in a spreadsheet to map the
subjects.

And up until a few years ago, the description would have been the deal
breaker for us. Now we have descriptions, which is nice. But does
everybody?

Michigan has quite a few collections, so our perspective on what the
obstacles are will be a bit different than an organization with just a
few collections, where, choosing subjects and even writing descriptions
is not much overhead.

You can see what we have, here...

http://quod.lib.umich.edu/lib/colllist/ 

Perhaps other collection registries would be willing to share data.
Illinois is doing a lot in this realm, including collection level
descriptions. OCLC has a collection registry for the OAI harvesting they
do. Would this be weird?

Another possible approach would be to reach out to a few big
organizations that have a lot of collections to see if they could
provide fully populated tabulated data for import into the registry. At
the same time, reach out more directly to a couple dozen small
organizations and ask that they each make at least one submission. 
(Sorry if these approaches have been tried and I'm unaware.)

OK, well, I wrote kind of a lot. I hope it helps a little. :)

On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 4:56 PM, Grotke, Abigail <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Hello all,
> Many thanks to Rachel Howard for our notetaking this call. The
minutes 
> have been posted to the wiki and are below.
>
>
http://www.loc.gov/extranet/wiki/osi/ndiip/ndsa/index.php?title=Conten

> t_WG_April_4,_2012_Meeting_Minutes
>
> If I missed anyone who was on the call but not listed on the
attendees 
> list, feel free to add yourself. I know some folks called in without

> the webex so I may have missed some names.
>
> I encourage those of you with thoughts about the levels of 
> preservation to chime in on the list...
> Thanks!
> Abbie
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Attendees (16)
>
>  *   Faundeen, John, Archivist | U.S. Geological Survey |
> [log in to unmask] 
>  *   Grotke, Abbie | Web Archiving Team Lead, Library of Congress,
and
> Co-Chair of the NDSA Content Working Group | [log in to unmask] |
> 202-707-2833
> | @agrotke
>  *   Harrison, Anne | Federal Library & Information Center Committee
> (FLICC) | [log in to unmask] 
>  *   
Hartman, Cathy | Associate Dean of Libraries, University of
North
> Texas/ Co-Chair of the NDSA Content Working Group |
[log in to unmask] 
>  *   Howard, Rachel | Digital Initiatives Librarian, University of
> Louisville | [log in to unmask] 
>  *   Kepley, David | NARA | [log in to unmask] 
>  *   Maes, Margaret | Legal Information Preservation Alliance |
> [log in to unmask] 
>  *   McAninch, Glen | Kentucky Department for Libraries and Archives
|
> [log in to unmask] 
>  *   McGlone, Jonathan | University of Michigan Library |
> [log in to unmask] 
>  *   Moffatt, Christie | National Library of Medicine |
> [log in to unmask] 
>  *   Muller, Chris | Muller Media Conversions |
> [log in to unmask] 
>  *   Rau, Erik | Hagley Museum and Library | [log in to unmask] 
>  *   Reib, Linda | Arizona State Library, Archives, and Public
Records |
> [log in to unmask] 
>  *   Rumsey, Abby Smith | Library of Congress/NDIIPP |
[log in to unmask] 
>  *   Seneca, Tracy | California Digital Library |
[log in to unmask] 
>  *   Stoller, Michael | New York University | [log in to unmask]

>
> Report from the NDSA Leadership Meeting
>
> Abbie and Cathy attended the meeting last Thursday and Friday. It was

> the first time that working group co-chairs and Coordinating
Committee 
> got together in one room for 1 ½ days. Discussion covered how things

> are going, what working groups are doing, where we could use support

> from Coordinating Committee. Abbie and Cathy shared the challenges
our 
> working group has experienced as we've grown to over 70; we're the 
> largest, but also have fairly good attendance on our calls and with
our content teams.
>
> Outcomes of overall meeting include having press kit to guide members

> in talking about NDSA's purpose, plans, and accomplishments - common

> topics to address rather than working in silos. The Outreach Team
will 
> work on that and make it available to all members. An action list
will 
> help drive what work the Coordinating Committee can/should be doing
for the organization.
> Watch for more details on NDSA-all listserv.
>
> Report from the Registry Action Team
>
> Daniel sent an update over the list. There's been a bit of concern at

> low number of submissions to registry, and worry that levels were 
> stumbling block due to uncertainty or embarrassment. We've been 
> talking about having interns help feed info into the registry, and 
> also looking again at levels and at each item listed in the levels
and 
> expand upon them so that it becomes an internal assessment tool for 
> deciding where we're at and what resources are needed to get to a 
> higher level . Levels of preservation were also discussed at the NDSA

> Leadership Meeting last week. The Infrastructure Team was interested

> in looking at the levels more closely and building something around 
> them that could benefit the membership more widely. We need to figure
out where to go with that next.
>
> Margie agreed that expansion/better description of levels will 
> encourage more libraries to participate.
>
> Christie suggested exploring the possibility of not making levels 
> required, just get people to register content and over time, with 
> assistance of interns, fill in the gaps. Levels are a stumbling block

> because they seem to be all or nothing - you have to meet everything

> in the level.
>
> Glen reported that he's involved in another survey of state archives

> in U.S. with regard to preservation activities; it's even more
complex 
> in state archives to identify who's doing what, and then to go beyond

> that and try to figure out a standard entry is even more intensive in
terms of staff.
>
> Michael agreed that assigning levels can be a really helpful
exercise, 
> but for some institutions it's too big an exercise.
>
> Abby Rumsey suggested identifying activities in each level as being 
> benchmarks of excellence as a way to acknowledge progress, or things

> that are 
not relevant/priority for mission. It could just be that 
> libraries and archives look at the set of things in each class/level

> and pick out the priorities that are highest for their mission and 
> assess themselves against themselves rather than engage in a 
> self-defeating one-size-fits-all exercise.
>
> Tracy questioned the fundamental goal of the registry - is it more 
> about content or about practices across the organization? Abbie 
> explained that the original goal was to identify content, but then we

> had to grapple with what you mean when you say you've preserved 
> content. Levels maybe should not be part of the registry at all,
which 
> is why there's interest in it being elevated to cross-NDSA.
>
> Michael agreed that we shouldn't let the perfect be the enemy of the
good.
> How easy can we make the registry so the basic info can get out there

> without burdening institutions with extensive self-evaluation
process?
>
> Abby reiterated that it should be possible to come up with cluster of

> things that characterize each level and then each institution can 
> identify sets that apply to them at that level.
>
> Glen suggested looking at Charles Dollar's Data Maturity levels 
> because that's what they're using for the latest survey of state 
> archives. It spells out 10 or 11 different categories of preservation

> and offers levels in each one of those categories, along with a point

> system. David wondered why we weren't using the TRAC checklist.
Rachel 
> pointed out that it's more complicated than the levels as we
currently 
> state them. Others said that Dollar's system is more complex than
TRAC.
>
> Abbie suggested moving this discussion to the listserv, where Kris
and 
> Daniel can provide input.
>
> Report from the Content Teams
>
> John (Geospatial) - Didn't meet last month. Will meet end of this 
> month to further refine scope and areas of focus - they have more
than 
> enough input (several pages of comments), now need to figure out what

> to concentrate on/prioritize.
>
> Glen (Government) - Started at beginning talking about issues with 
> regard to electronic records risk. Seemed to be an emphasis on
working 
> with records creators to better refine what we get so that we can 
> preserve it better. The front end was of major concern. Sense that 
> respondents are daunted by all of the things to be concerned about -
where do you start?
> Constructed sample document of purpose/objectives/statement but 
> haven't yet received comments. Scheduling next meeting for end of
month.
>
> Abbie (News, Media & Journalism) - Met once and came up with 
> categories to pursue; narrowing it down. Citizen journalism, 
> born-digital journalism content case study that came through from
UNT.
> Don't have another meeting set but will be working over email on
those topic areas.
>
> Christie (Science, Tech, Medicine, Mathematics ) - Met last week and

> identified some areas of at-risk content; still in brainstorming mode

> and plan to meet after using the Wiki to identify different types of

> data, develop case studies.
>
> Social Sciences: Think they have met at least once but haven't heard

> anything lately.
>
> Erik Rau volunteered to facilitate History. Jon volunteered to be the

> catalyst to get meeting going with Arts & Humanities group.
>
> Next Meeting
>
> Next meeting will be June 6 at 11am. There will also be an in-person

> meeting at NDSA meeting on Wednesday afternoon July 25, for which 
> they're also trying to get a conference call set up. Will send out
details.
>
>
>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Abbie Grotke | Web Archiving Team Lead | Office of Strategic 
> Initiatives National Digital Information and Infrastructure 
> Preservation Program | Library of Congress 
> http://www.loc.gov/webarchiving/ |
http://www.digitalpreservation.gov<
> http://www.digitalpreservation.gov/>
> 202-707-2833 | [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> | @agrotke
>
>
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