LISTSERV mailing list manager LISTSERV 16.5

Help for CODE4LIB Archives


CODE4LIB Archives

CODE4LIB Archives


CODE4LIB@LISTS.CLIR.ORG


View:

Message:

[

First

|

Previous

|

Next

|

Last

]

By Topic:

[

First

|

Previous

|

Next

|

Last

]

By Author:

[

First

|

Previous

|

Next

|

Last

]

Font:

Proportional Font

LISTSERV Archives

LISTSERV Archives

CODE4LIB Home

CODE4LIB Home

CODE4LIB  June 2012

CODE4LIB June 2012

Subject:

Re: Academic libraries - Will dev for pay models?

From:

Jonathan Rochkind <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Code for Libraries <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 6 Jun 2012 17:14:35 -0400

Content-Type:

text/plain

Parts/Attachments:

Parts/Attachments

text/plain (178 lines)

It seems odd to me for the library to charge individual departments for 
special projects. Although I realize it can make sense and be reasonable 
in some cases, I think there are some dangers.

I mean, the library is already funded to provide services to the rest of 
the university, right?  EVERYTHING we do serves other schools and 
departments, that's what we do, almost all our customers are internal. 
Different universities have different ways of accounting for this -- the 
individual schools or departments may already have budget line items 
moving cash from their budget to the libraries, or the university may 
just take care of it.

But either way, it's usually flat rate, pay for the libraries budget. 
The Business School doesn't get better service than the Philosophy Dept 
because they've got a bigger budget; nor are schools/departments usually 
'charged back' because their undergrads use the reference librarians 
more than other depts/schools.

Likewise, some features we develop serve some department/schools more 
than others. If we realized there was a need to search/facet by MeSH 
(NLM Medical Subject) headings, and we weren't doing that yet, but we 
had the capability to do it -- would we only add that feature if the 
Medical School paid us?

I realize that all of our universities are increasingly trying to 
subject their components to market discipline, making everything be a 
fee-based transaction. I think our professional ethics should be to 
resist this -- it's true we can't do everything we might want and need 
to prioritize -- but I think our professional ethics in a university 
library should be against giving better service to those parts of the 
university which can pay more.

But, really, I just put this out as something to think about. I realize 
that in some cases it can make sense, and be reasonable and ethical. But 
I think care is warranted.

Another thing to beware of with software development in particular -- is 
that software going to be running on your servers, are you expected to 
maintain it as well?  We who develop software realize that software is 
hardly ever "one and done", software (like libraries, Ranganthan's last 
law) is a "growing organism", it takes constant care and feeding. Even 
if no features are ever added (and certainly people WILL ask for 
changes), it takes constant operational care just to keep the thing 
running, including patching dependencies for security vulnerabilities, 
as well as simple operational/hardware expenses, etc. If you charge per 
project the end, but are responsible for maintaining the software 
indefinitely, that doesn't work even from a strictly budgetary perspective.

With digital collections, for instance, if possible I think it'd make a 
lot more sense to support as part of the libraries mission and general 
budget, say, an general Omeka installation that anyone can use to create 
their own 'exhibition', and/or a general Repository that anyone can use 
to store their digital artifacts, rather than charge individual projects 
per-project to "develop" (and then charge more per-year to 
maintain/support?).  Even just on basic financial sustainability grounds.


On 6/6/2012 4:24 PM, Eric Larson wrote:
> Hi Rosy,
>
> Thanks for your reply. I would greatly appreciate seeing your spreadsheets.
>
> We do an honorable amount of project estimation and time-tracking here,
> too. We always draft a "Memorandum of Understanding" -- an agreement for
> what work the library will provide on the project and a timetable for
> completing said work -- with our digital collection project clients. We
> try hard to stay focused on the deliverables in that document, but
> there's always some feature creep in development work.
>
> We do not have plans to "charge back" for development services, but
> wondered if other schools worked in such a way. The recent success of
> our new library catalog launch and future digital collection platform
> (Hi Blacklight folk) has momentarily increased interest in our
> born-digital digital collection efforts. There's also a campus-wide
> effort here at UW-Madison to raise awareness for "Educational
> Innovation" opportunities that might generate new revenue streams for
> the university. We're not used to charging for our services in the
> library, but some hypothetical partnerships could present the
> opportunity. I'm sure other public institutions are doing similar
> what-if revenue exercises:
> http://edinnovation.wisc.edu/
>
> Thanks again and I'll ping you off list to chat more.
>
> Cheers,
> - Eric
>
>
> On Jun 6, 2012, at 11:28 AM, Rosalyn Metz wrote:
>
>> Hey Eric,
>>
>> At GW we've been doing some cost estimates for projects. Essentially we
>> pull together the team, figure out the different tasks that need to be
>> accomplished, determine who will be working on those tasks, estimate
>> hours
>> necessary to do the work, and then use salaries to calculate the cost.
>>
>> Right now we're primarily doing this for digitization projects, but I've
>> had experience doing this at other jobs (not in libraries) with dev
>> projects. There are a couple of caveats to this though:
>>
>> - *estimating time takes practice to perfect*. a lot of the time people
>> aren't really sure how long something is going to take until they've
>> started thinking about how long things actually take. and really, you'll
>> only know how long things take if you keep track of your time. that can
>> open up a can of worms, but in this case i like to frame it as you're
>> just
>> doing it to ensure that a project isn't more work than you expected.
>> - *ensure that you're organized up front*. as anyone can tell you,
>> scope creep kills a project. before you begin estimates you'll want to
>> make sure that you know what the scope of the project is. its
>> important to
>> sit down with the group you're charging and really discuss the
>> project. we
>> use tito's project one pagers to outline what it is that we're doing and
>> what it is that we're not doing. sitting down and talking to the
>> stakeholders helps us really understand what they want, and provides us
>> with the opportunity to say no if something is impossible, takes too long
>> given the deadline, or whatever.
>>
>> If you want, I have some spreadsheets that I use to create estimates. I'm
>> happy to send them your way. And if you want I can skype with you or
>> something and talk you through what they each do (because I don't
>> think its
>> readily apparent).
>>
>> Let me know,
>> Rosy
>> ---------------------------------------------------
>> Digital Project Manager
>> Gelman Library
>> The George Washington University
>> f: 202.994.7439
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 4:17 PM, Eric Larson
>> <[log in to unmask]>wrote:
>>
>>> Any academic libraries out there doing consulting or application
>>> development work for hire on their campuses? -- not freebie work, but
>>> where
>>> actual money exchanges across campus accounting lines.
>>>
>>> I would be curious to hear how you go about pricing out your
>>> services, or
>>> if you have a selection process for the work you choose to perform.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> - Eric
>>>
>>> --
>>> Eric Larson
>>>
>>> Web Application Developer
>>> Shared Development Group
>>> University of Wisconsin-Madison Libraries
>>> [log in to unmask]
>>>
>
> --
> Eric Larson
> Digital Library Consultant
> UW Digital Collections Center
> [log in to unmask]
>
>
> Connect with us on…
> •The Web: http://uwdc.library.wisc.edu
> •Facebook: http://digital.library.wisc.edu/1711.dl/uwdc-fb
> •Twitter: http://twitter.com/UWdigiCollec
> •RSS: http://uwdc.library.wisc.edu/News/NewsFeed/UWDCNews.xml
>

Top of Message | Previous Page | Permalink

Advanced Options


Options

Log In

Log In

Get Password

Get Password


Search Archives

Search Archives


Subscribe or Unsubscribe

Subscribe or Unsubscribe


Archives

November 2024
October 2024
September 2024
August 2024
July 2024
June 2024
May 2024
April 2024
March 2024
February 2024
January 2024
December 2023
November 2023
October 2023
September 2023
August 2023
July 2023
June 2023
May 2023
April 2023
March 2023
February 2023
January 2023
December 2022
November 2022
October 2022
September 2022
August 2022
July 2022
June 2022
May 2022
April 2022
March 2022
February 2022
January 2022
December 2021
November 2021
October 2021
September 2021
August 2021
July 2021
June 2021
May 2021
April 2021
March 2021
February 2021
January 2021
December 2020
November 2020
October 2020
September 2020
August 2020
July 2020
June 2020
May 2020
April 2020
March 2020
February 2020
January 2020
December 2019
November 2019
October 2019
September 2019
August 2019
July 2019
June 2019
May 2019
April 2019
March 2019
February 2019
January 2019
December 2018
November 2018
October 2018
September 2018
August 2018
July 2018
June 2018
May 2018
April 2018
March 2018
February 2018
January 2018
December 2017
November 2017
October 2017
September 2017
August 2017
July 2017
June 2017
May 2017
April 2017
March 2017
February 2017
January 2017
December 2016
November 2016
October 2016
September 2016
August 2016
July 2016
June 2016
May 2016
April 2016
March 2016
February 2016
January 2016
December 2015
November 2015
October 2015
September 2015
August 2015
July 2015
June 2015
May 2015
April 2015
March 2015
February 2015
January 2015
December 2014
November 2014
October 2014
September 2014
August 2014
July 2014
June 2014
May 2014
April 2014
March 2014
February 2014
January 2014
December 2013
November 2013
October 2013
September 2013
August 2013
July 2013
June 2013
May 2013
April 2013
March 2013
February 2013
January 2013
December 2012
November 2012
October 2012
September 2012
August 2012
July 2012
June 2012
May 2012
April 2012
March 2012
February 2012
January 2012
December 2011
November 2011
October 2011
September 2011
August 2011
July 2011
June 2011
May 2011
April 2011
March 2011
February 2011
January 2011
December 2010
November 2010
October 2010
September 2010
August 2010
July 2010
June 2010
May 2010
April 2010
March 2010
February 2010
January 2010
December 2009
November 2009
October 2009
September 2009
August 2009
July 2009
June 2009
May 2009
April 2009
March 2009
February 2009
January 2009
December 2008
November 2008
October 2008
September 2008
August 2008
July 2008
June 2008
May 2008
April 2008
March 2008
February 2008
January 2008
December 2007
November 2007
October 2007
September 2007
August 2007
July 2007
June 2007
May 2007
April 2007
March 2007
February 2007
January 2007
December 2006
November 2006
October 2006
September 2006
August 2006
July 2006
June 2006
May 2006
April 2006
March 2006
February 2006
January 2006
December 2005
November 2005
October 2005
September 2005
August 2005
July 2005
June 2005
May 2005
April 2005
March 2005
February 2005
January 2005
December 2004
November 2004
October 2004
September 2004
August 2004
July 2004
June 2004
May 2004
April 2004
March 2004
February 2004
January 2004
December 2003
November 2003

ATOM RSS1 RSS2



LISTS.CLIR.ORG

CataList Email List Search Powered by the LISTSERV Email List Manager