You refer to Z39.50, maybe...

On 07/nov/2012, at 20.33, Kyle Banerjee wrote:

> In all fairness, SRU also is something I'd hope would fade out as it is
> based on an information retrieval model developed that saw its heydey
> decades ago...
> 
> On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 7:49 AM, Karen Coyle <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> 
>> Owen,
>> 
>> I think we owe it to future generations to make sure that they don't have
>> to know MARC. It's beginning to feel like one of those really bad horror
>> films where the dead keep getting up and walking. I'm up for driving a
>> stake through its still-beating heart.
>> 
>> Imagine, just imagine, a world where you don't have to have memorized
>> documents written 50 years before in order to process your data. (cue
>> music, fade out)
>> 
>> kc
>> 
>> 
>> On 11/7/12 3:36 AM, Owen Stephens wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks Karen - probably should have known that! That's the nice thing
>>> about MARC - always some new thing to cope with :)
>>> 
>>> Owen
>>> 
>>> Owen Stephens
>>> Owen Stephens Consulting
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>>> 
>>> On 6 Nov 2012, at 19:37, Karen Coyle <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The "9"s are available in all indicator positions for local use as
>>>> defined in the MARC record (not MARC21) spec. [1] So what is in the MARC21
>>>> spec under a particular tag is the "non-local" values. I suspect that most
>>>> systems just ignore any '9's they encounter unless those are defined as
>>>> part of local system processing.
>>>> 
>>>> kc
>>>> [1] http://www.loc.gov/marc/**specifications/specrecstruc.**html<http://www.loc.gov/marc/specifications/specrecstruc.html>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 11/6/12 10:20 AM, Owen Stephens wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> According to the MARC spec, 035 doesn't support '9' as a valid
>>>>> indicator. My very uneducated guess would be the invalid indicator is
>>>>> causing the underlying system not to index it?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Owen Stephens
>>>>> Owen Stephens Consulting
>>>>> Web: http://www.ostephens.com
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>>>>> Telephone: 0121 288 6936
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 6 Nov 2012, at 17:43, Alevtina Verbovetskaya <
>>>>> [log in to unmask]**CUNY.EDU<[log in to unmask]>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Let's say I've defined these indexes in pqf.properties on the SRU
>>>>>> server:
>>>>>> index.marc.020 = 1=7 # ISBN
>>>>>> index.marc.035:1 = 1=1211 # OCLC/utility number where first indicator
>>>>>> is non-blank
>>>>>> index.marc.100:1 = 1=1 # author where first indicator is non-blank
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I can use the ISBN index to search for records, e.g.:
>>>>>> http://apps.appl.cuny.edu:**5661/CENTRAL?version=1.1&**
>>>>>> operation=searchRetrieve&**query=marc.020=<http://apps.appl.cuny.edu:5661/CENTRAL?version=1.1&operation=searchRetrieve&query=marc.020=>
>>>>>> "9780801449437"**&startRecord=1&maximumRecords=**15
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I can also use the author index to search for records, e.g.:
>>>>>> http://apps.appl.cuny.edu:**5661/CENTRAL?version=1.1&**
>>>>>> operation=searchRetrieve&**query=marc.100:1=<http://apps.appl.cuny.edu:5661/CENTRAL?version=1.1&operation=searchRetrieve&query=marc.100:1=>
>>>>>> "Armenteros"&**startRecord=1&maximumRecords=**15
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So why can't I search for records by utility number (035) with a
>>>>>> non-blank first indicator?
>>>>>> http://apps.appl.cuny.edu:**5661/CENTRAL?version=1.1&**
>>>>>> operation=searchRetrieve&**query=marc.035:1=<http://apps.appl.cuny.edu:5661/CENTRAL?version=1.1&operation=searchRetrieve&query=marc.035:1=>
>>>>>> "ebr10488669"**&startRecord=1&maximumRecords=**15
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If you're playing along, you'll notice that these all point to the
>>>>>> same record. However, when I try to search for it with
>>>>>> &query=marc.035:1="<util_num>"**, I get no results. I thought maybe
>>>>>> this was because there's already another 035 field (with blank indicators)
>>>>>> that's an OCLC number so I temporarily removed it... but that didn't solve
>>>>>> the issue.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Anyone have any experience with this? I need to be able to search by
>>>>>> 0359# and I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong. I would greatly
>>>>>> appreciate some assistance!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>> Allie
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --
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>>>>>> Web and Mobile Systems Librarian (Substitute)
>>>>>> Office of Library Services
>>>>>> City University of New York
>>>>>> 555 W 57th St, 13th fl.
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>>>>>> 
>>>>> --
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>>>> 
>>> 
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