" it may help to pick a random sample of the incidents and consider
whether the anti-harassment policy for code4lib would deal with it."

This is a good idea.  Often, short policies will have the short formal
language up front, and then a comments section which isn't part of the
policy, but explains how to apply it.  The comments section will have
examples and explanations, which helps go check check check and apply the
policy.

Also, running use cases against a policy will show if the policy does
what's intended without doing unintended harm.

-Wilhelmina Randtke


On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 7:06 AM, MJ Ray <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Wilhelmina Randtke <[log in to unmask]>
> > I think maybe in librarianship in general, there is some trying to turn
> > this around and use the same sexist advertising, but marginalize men
> > instead.
>
> I think this is a problem in society in general, not just
> librarianship or technologists: aiming for some improbable perfect
> balance of discrimination in all directions and misunderstanding that
> as equality.  Such false friends are often uncovered when they suggest
> that if anyone doesn't like their Gay/Black/whatever Scholarship or
> Mentorship or whatever restorative scheme, those people should start
> or make another scheme for Non-gays/Non-blacks/Non-whatevers.
>
> So I'm disappointed but unsurprised to hear of male strippers at
> events.  Like Karen Coyle, I'd love to know if anyone objected and
> what happened next.
>
> > On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 8:54 AM, James Stuart <[log in to unmask]
> >wrote:
> > > This list is imperfect (I know several public incidents that aren't on
> here
> > > (recent DEFCON years aren't listed, The Amazing Meeting/ElevatorGate
> and
> > > various other skeptic convention incidents aren't on (possibly by
> > > design))), but it's at least a start, and hopefully a picture that
> sexism
> > > is an endemic, systematic problem right now in the geek convention
> world.
> > > http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline_of_incidents
>
> Quite right it's imperfect!  It's correlated with time, money and
> maybe an increasing number of smaller conferences with new,
> inexperienced organisers...  I don't think the number of incidents
> is particularly informative, either: we'd be unhappy with one, no?
> So it may help to pick a random sample of the incidents and consider
> whether the anti-harassment policy for code4lib would deal with it.
>
> Moreover, I reject that we should place too much weight on that
> "resource for and about women".  It has some interesting links, but a
> site with a "Resources for men" ghetto is not promoting equality well.
>
> Regards,
> --
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