On Feb 20, 2013, at 11:42 AM, Karen Coyle <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Shaun, you cannot decide whether github is a barrier to entry FOR ME (or anyone else), any more than you can decide whether or not my foot hurts. I'm telling you github is NOT what I want to use. Period.
> 
> I'm actually thinking that a blog format would be nice. It could be pretty (poetry and beauty go together). Poems tend to be short, so they'd make a nice blog post. They could appear in the Planet blog roll. They could be coded by author and topic. There could be comments! Even poems as comments! The only down-side is managing users. Anyone have ideas on that?

Of course, these aren't mutually exclusive:

http://octopress.org/

-Ross.

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> kc
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> On 2/20/13 8:20 AM, Shaun Ellis wrote:
>> > (As a general rule, for every programmer who prefers tool A, and says
>> > that everybody should use it, there’s a programmer who disparages tool
>> > A, and advocates tool B. So take what we say with a grain of salt!)
>> 
>> It doesn't matter what tools you use, as long as you and your team are able to participate easily, if you want to.  But if you want to attract  contributions from a given development community, then choices should be balanced between the preferences of that community and what best serve the project.
>> 
>> From what I've been hearing, I think there is a lot of confusion about GitHub.  Heck, I am constantly learning about new GitHub features, APIs, and best practices myself. But I find it to be an incredibly powerful platform for moving open source, distributed software development forward.  I am not telling anyone to use GitHub if they don't want to, but I want to dispel a few myths I've heard recently:
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>> * Myth #1 : GitHub creates a barrier to entry.
>> * "To contribute to a project on GitHub, you need to use the command-line. It's not for non-coders."
>> 
>> GitHub != git.  While GitHub was initially built for publishing and sharing code via integration with git, all GitHub functionality can be performed directly through the web gui.  In fact, GitHub can even be used as your sole coding environment. There are other tools in the "eco-system" that allow non-coders to contribute documentation, issue reporting, and more to a project.
>> 
>> ------------
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>> * Myth #2 : GitHub is for sharing/publishing code.
>> * "I would be fun to have a wiki for more durable poetry (github unfortunately would be a barrier to many)."
>> 
>> GitHub can be used to collaborate on and publish other types of content as well.  For example, GitHub has a great wiki component* (as well as a website component).  In a number of ways, has less of a "barrier to entry" than our Code4Lib wiki.
>> 
>> While the path of least resistance requires a "repository" to have a wiki, public repos cost nothing and can consist of a simple "README" file.  The wiki can be locked down to a team, or it can be writable by anyone with a github account.  You don't need to do anything via command-line, don't need to understand "git-flow", and you don't even need to learn wiki markup to write content. All you need is an account and something to say, just like any wiki. Log in, go to the anti-harassment policy wiki, and see for yourself:
>> https://github.com/code4lib/antiharassment-policy/wiki
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>> * The github wiki even has an API (via Gollum) that you can use to retrieve raw or formatted wiki content, write new content, and collect various meta data about the wiki as a whole:
>> https://github.com/code4lib/antiharassment-policy/wiki/_access
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>> * Myth #3 : GitHub is person-centric.
>> > "(And as a further aside, there’s plenty to dislike about github as
>> > well, from it’s person-centric view of projects (rather than
>> > team-centric)..."
>> 
>> Untrue. GitHub is very team centered when using organizational accounts, which formalize authorization controls for projects, among other things: https://github.com/blog/674-introducing-organizations
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>> * Myth #4 : GitHub is monopolizing open source software development.
>> > "... to its unfortunate centralizing of so much free/open
>> > source software on one platform.)"
>> 
>> Convergence is not always a bad thing. GitHub provides a great, free service with lots of helpful collaboration tools beyond version control.  It's natural that people would flock there, despite having lots of other options.
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>> -Shaun
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>> On 2/19/13 5:35 PM, Erik Hetzner wrote:
>>> At Sat, 16 Feb 2013 06:42:04 -0800,
>>> Karen Coyle wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> gitHub may have excellent startup documentation, but that startup
>>>> documentation describes git in programming terms mainly using *nx
>>>> commands. If you have never had to use a version control system (e.g. if
>>>> you do not write code, especially in a shared environment), "clone"
>>>> "push" "pull" are very poorly described. The documentation is all in
>>>> terms of *nx commands. Honestly, anything where this is in the
>>>> documentation:
>>>> 
>>>> On Windows systems, Git looks for the |.gitconfig| file in the |$HOME|
>>>> directory (|%USERPROFILE%| in Windows’ environment), which is
>>>> |C:\Documents and Settings\$USER| or |C:\Users\$USER| for most people,
>>>> depending on version (|$USER| is |%USERNAME%| in Windows’ environment).
>>>> 
>>>> is not going to work for anyone who doesn't work in Windows at the
>>>> command line.
>>>> 
>>>> No, git is NOT for non-coders.
>>> 
>>> For what it’s worth, this programmer finds git’s interface pretty
>>> terrible. I prefer mercurial (hg), but I don’t know if it’s any better
>>> for people who aren’t familar with a command line.
>>> 
>>>   http://mercurial.selenic.com/guide/
>>> 
>>> (As a general rule, for every programmer who prefers tool A, and says
>>> that everybody should use it, there’s a programmer who disparages tool
>>> A, and advocates tool B. So take what we say with a grain of salt!)
>>> 
>>> (And as a further aside, there’s plenty to dislike about github as
>>> well, from it’s person-centric view of projects (rather than
>>> team-centric) to its unfortunate centralizing of so much free/open
>>> source software on one platform.)
>>> 
>>> best, Erik
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my free software system <http://fsf.org/>.
>>> 
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