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Re: : Persian Romanization table

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Hi Yan,



The business of going from Original Script Persian to transliteration is much trickier than what we did, which was to go from Romanized Urdu BACK to Original Script Urdu.  Unfortunately I haven’t tried going the other way, but it seems like it would require an ALA-Romanized Persian dictionary to make it work.  Name might be easier, since there’s a lot of Persian in original script I the LC authority files and since names are often repeated you could get a lot use out of a modest sized dataset.  I don’t know any rules of Persian orthography, but if there were any (like “i” before “e” except after “c” …) it would THEORETICALLY be possible to leverage those.



Joel Hahn did a nice macro of Hebrew for OCLC (which has similar vocalization issues) but my Hebrew cataloger tells me that the vowels still have to be tweaked.  Since I know even less about Hebrew than I do about Persian, I don’t know if there’s any part of his methodology you could repurpose for Persian.



Sorry I can’t be of more help with this issue.

JJ



-----Original Message-----
From: Han, Yan [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 8:14 PM
To: Jacobs, Jane W; Code for Libraries ([log in to unmask]); [log in to unmask]
Cc: Seyede Pouye Khoshkhoosani
Subject: RE: : Persian Romanization table



Hello, All and Jane

First I would like to appreciate Jane Jacobs at Queens Library providing me Urdu Romanization table.

As we are working on creating Persian/Pushutu transliterate software, my Persian language expert has the following question :

" In according to our conversation for transliterating Persian to Roman letters, I faced a big problem: As the short vowels do not show up on or under the letters in Persian, how a machine can read a word in Persian. For example we have the word “???  "; to the machine this word is PDR, because it cannot read the vowels. There is no rule for the short vowels in the Persian language; so the machine does not understand if the first letter is “pi”, “pa” or “po”. Is there any way to overcome this obstacle? "

 This seems to me that we missed a critical piece of information here. (Something like a dictionary). Without it, there is no way to have good translation from computer. We will have to have a Persian speaker to check/correct the computer's transliteration.

Any suggestions ?

Thanks,

Yan





-----Original Message-----

From: Jacobs, Jane W [mailto:[log in to unmask]]

Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 6:28 AM

To: Han, Yan

Subject: RE: : Persian Romanization table



Hi Yan,



As per my message to the listserve, here are the config files for Urdu.  If you do a Persian config file, I d love to get it and if possible add it to the MARC::Detrans site.



Let me know if you want to follow this road.

JJ



-----Original Message-----

From: Code for Libraries [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Han, Yan

Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 5:31 PM

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Subject: [CODE4LIB] : Persian Romanization table



Hello, All,

I have a project to deal with Persian materials. I have already uses Google Translate API to translate. Now I am looking for an API to transliterate /Romanize (NOT Translate) Persian to English (not English to Persian). In other words, I have Persian in, and English out.

There is a Romanization table (Persian romanization table - Library of Congress<http://www.loc.gov/catdir/cpso/romanization/persian.pdf> www.loc.gov/catdir/cpso/romanization/persian.pdf<http://www.loc.gov/catdir/cpso/romanization/persian.pdf>).



For example, If



????  should output as  Kit?b

My finding is that existing tools only do the opposite



1.      Google Transliterate: you enter English, output Persian (Input  Bookmark , output  ???????  , Input  ???????  , output  ???????  )



2.      OCLC language: the same as Google Transliterate.



3.      http://mylanguages.org/persian_romanization.php  : works, but no API.



Anyone know such API exists?



Thanks much,



Yan










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