On 11/25/13 11:16 AM, Dan Eveland wrote:
> Lisa,
>
> Those are terrible experiences. If that's what happens at where you work,
> then you should certainly change jobs. No one deserves treatment as you
> describe. I will not lower this discussion to address your personal attacks.

1) That's what happens everywhere -- the problem is not her job
2) The attacks are against a person, but not "personal" -- it's not that 
people don't like HER, it's discrimination against women. It can be 
shown to be statistically significant for women as a group. Some 
individuals have it better, some have it worse. The group is 
discriminated against. Thus, scholarships are aimed at members of the 
group, not at individuals.

>
> As I look around me, all my full-time co-workers are very well-respected,
> fairly-paid (and just so happens... all female) professionals. No-one does
> anything to be disrespectful to anyone. It's a great place to work for
> everyone. That's what everyone deserves. Anything else
> is totally unacceptable. Scholarships don't effect behavior like
> that, management does.

I'm afraid that a sociologist studying this phenomenon would not 
consider you to be a viable informant on the issue. And, as I stated 
above, it's not about any one person's experience.


>
> My point about scholarships is only that no one deserves more help simply
> by virtue of sex or race. People need help because they actually need help,
> and they should be given equal consideration regardless of ethnic
> background, gender or sexual orientation.

That's different, albeit legitimate, reason for scholarships, but it 
does not negate the need for the diversity scholarships.

>
> Giving economic help to people who need economic help is fair. I believe
> that paying for only certain arbitrary classes of people to go to an event
> does not change disparities, it's just discriminatory.

Of course, it's far from arbitrary. We've got the facts and figures. If 
these scholarships miss any groups that should be added, because of 
discrimination, then let's add them. If we want scholarships based on 
economic need, let's add them. But let's not take anything away.

kc

>
> Dan
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 1:52 PM, Heidi Elaine Dowding <[log in to unmask]>wrote:
>
>> I think this discussion is exactly the reason we need scholarships like
>> these.  I'm glad that Keri and others are able to turn this into a
>> productive dialogue.  I'll definitely be attending the pre-conference event
>> - thanks for sharing, Lisa.
>>
>> Heidi
>>
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>>
>> On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 1:40 PM, Lisa Rabey <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm sorry you are feeling excluded but when statistically men, primarily
>>> white men, will make 25-30% more than I do, for the same job, over the
>>> course of my career, will be given precedence not only in my
>>> professional life but personal one on anything that is deemed
>>> stereotypically male, who will more than likely when attending
>>> technology conferences will NOT be sexually harassed, called a whore,
>>> slut, and other charming names for espousing ones opinion and expertise,
>>> well -- I hope you can see why comments like yours are a little
>>> frustrating.
>>>
>>> I would highly recommend anyone interested in advancing the
>>> conversation forward and putting together living, working solutions on
>>> gender in tech disparity to sign up for the pre-conference I proposed
>>> for #c4l14
>>>
>>>
>> http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/2014_preconference_proposals#Technology.2C_Librarianship.2C_and_Gender:_Moving_the_conversation_forward
>>> Topics to include: Fairness, bias, impostor syndrome, code of conducts,
>>> sexual harassment, training opportunities, support systems, mentoring,
>>> ally support, and more
>>>
>>> Myself, and others, have started writing extensively about the
>>> imbalance of women in tech, primarily within the library field and how
>>> that imbalance is causing a rift not only in our professional lives, but
>>> our personal ones as well. You can read all the varying perspectives
>>> from males and females, which I've started to collect here
>>> https://lisa.rabey.net/projects/libtechwomen-libtechgender/
>>>
>>> So if you think there is not a problem with gender disparity in tech, I
>>> again invite you to read the articles, and join the pre-conference, and
>>> listen to the stories. This is what we call a teachable moment - and if
>>> after all that you're still not convinced there is an "issue"  or a need
>>> to support women in tech, even with scholarships - well, may the gods
>>> have mercy on your soul and hope that your female loved ones never
>>> experience what many have experienced just to do their jobs.
>>>
>>> -Lisa
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Lisa M. Rabey, MA, MLIS
>>> ------------------------
>>> Systems & Web Librarian
>>> Grand Rapids Community College
>>> p: 616.234.3786 | e: [log in to unmask]
>>> http://grcc.edu/library | http://grcc.edu/library/socialmedia
>>>
>>>>>> On 11/25/2013 at 10:43 AM, Dan Eveland <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>> So, by diversity you mean every single type of person except white
>>> male
>>>> that believes they are actually male. Is that accurate? So... diverse
>>>> except for one category specifically excluded through these rules. Is
>>> there
>>>> any other category other then this one, specific, group of people who
>>> are
>>>> not qualified to receive one of these scholarships? Really, I'd like
>>> to
>>>> know. Perhaps it would have been more efficient to list who cannot
>>> get the
>>>> help they need.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 9:19 PM, Jason Ronallo <[log in to unmask]>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> For the Code4Lib 2014 Conference, 9 scholarships have been
>>> sponsored
>>>>> to promote diversity.
>>>>>
>>>>> CLIR/DLF has sponsored 5 scholarships, EBSCO has sponsored 2
>>>>> scholarships, ProQuest has sponsored 1 full scholarship, and Sumana
>>>>> Harihareswara has sponsored half a scholarship which was matched by
>>>>> ProQuest. All sponsors have left it up to the discretion of the
>>>>> Code4Lib 2014 Scholarship Committee for how to award these
>>> diversity
>>>>> scholarships.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Code4Lib Scholarship Committee will award 9 diversity
>>> scholarships
>>>>> based on merit and need. Each scholarship will provide up to $1,000
>>> to
>>>>> cover travel costs and conference fees for a qualified attendee to
>>>>> attend the 2014 Code4Lib Conference, which will be held in Raleigh,
>>>>> North Carolina, from March 24 - 27, 2014.
>>>>>
>>>>> CONFERENCE INFO
>>>>>
>>>>> For more information on the Code4Lib Conference, please see the
>>>>> conference website:
>>>>> http://code4lib.org/conference/2014
>>>>>
>>>>> You can see write-ups of previous Code4Lib Conferences:
>>>>> http://journal.code4lib.org/articles/6848
>>>>> http://journal.code4lib.org/articles/2717
>>>>> http://journal.code4lib.org/articles/998
>>>>> http://journal.code4lib.org/articles/72
>>>>>
>>>>> CODE4LIB 2014 DIVERSITY SCHOLARSHIPS ELIGIBILITY, CRITERIA, AND
>>>>> REQUIREMENTS
>>>>>
>>>>> To qualify for a scholarship, an applicant must be interested in
>>>>> actively contributing to the mission and goals of the Code4Lib
>>>>> Conference.
>>>>>
>>>>> - Four scholarships will be awarded to any woman or transgendered
>>> person.
>>>>> - Four scholarships will be awarded to any person of Hispanic or
>>>>> Latino, Black or African-American, Asian, Native Hawaiian or
>>> Pacific
>>>>> Islander, or American Indian or Alaskan Native descent.
>>>>> - One scholarship will be awarded to the best remaining candidate
>>> who
>>>>> meets any of the previously mentioned eligibility requirements.
>>>>>
>>>>> Eligible applicants may apply based on multiple criteria, but no
>>>>> applicant will receive more than one scholarship. Past winners of
>>> any
>>>>> Code4Lib scholarship are not eligible for a scholarship.
>>>>>
>>>>> The scholarship recipients will be selected based upon their merit
>>> and
>>>>> financial needs.
>>>>>
>>>>> Scholarship recipients are required to write and submit a brief
>>> trip
>>>>> report to the Code4Lib 2014 Scholarships Committee by April 1, 2014
>>> to
>>>>> be posted to the Code4Lib wiki. The report should address: (a) what
>>>>> kind of experience they had at the conference, (b) what they have
>>>>> learned, (c) what suggestions they have for future attendees and
>>>>> conference organizers.
>>>>>
>>>>> All reimbursement forms and receipts must be received by May 26,
>>> 2014.
>>>>> HOW TO APPLY
>>>>>
>>>>> To apply, please send an email to Jason Ronallo
>>> ([log in to unmask])
>>>>> with the subject heading “Code4Lib 2014 Diversity Scholarship
>>>>> Application” containing the following (combined into a single
>>> attached
>>>>> PDF, if possible):
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. A brief letter of interest, which:
>>>>>      - Identifies your eligibility for a diversity scholarship
>>>>>      - Describes your interest in the conference and how you intend
>>> to
>>>>> participate
>>>>>      - Discusses your merit and needs for the scholarship
>>>>> 2. A résumé or CV
>>>>> 3. Contact information for two professional or academic references
>>>>> The application deadline is Dec. 13, 2013, 5pm EST. The scholarship
>>>>> committee will notify successful candidates the week of Jan. 6,
>>> 2013.
>>>>> SPONSORS
>>>>>
>>>>> We would like to thank our sponsors for supporting the Code4Lib
>>> 2014
>>>>> Diversity Scholarships.
>>>>>
>>>>> Council on Library and Information Resources http://www.clir.org/
>>>>> Digital Library Federation http://www.diglib.org/
>>>>> EBSCO http://www.ebsco.com/
>>>>> ProQuest http://www.proquest.com
>>>>> Sumana Harihareswara http://www.harihareswara.net/
>>>>>

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