"It's harder to implement Content Negotiation than your own API, because you
get to define your own API whereas you have to follow someone else's rules"

Don't wish your implementation problems on the consumers of your data.
There are [you would hope] far more of them than of you ;-)

Content-negotiation is an already established mechanism - why invent a new,
and different, one just for *your* data?

Put your self in the place of your consumer having to get their head around
yet another site specific API pattern.

As to discovering then using the (currently implemented) URI returned from
a content-negotiated call  - The standard http libraries take care of that,
like any other http redirects (301,303, etc) plus you are protected from
any future backend server implementation changes.


~Richard


On 1 December 2013 20:51, LeVan,Ralph <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> I'm confused about the supposed distinction between content negotiation
> and explicit content request in a URL.  The reason I'm confused is that the
> response to content negotiation is supposed to be a content location header
> with a URL that is guaranteed to return the negotiated content.  In other
> words, there *must* be a form of the URL that bypasses content negotiation.
>  If you can do content negotiation, then you should have a URL form that
> doesn't require content negotiation.
>
> Ralph
> ________________________________________
> From: Code for Libraries <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Robert
> Sanderson <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Friday, November 29, 2013 2:44 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: The lie of the API
>
> (posted in the comments on the blog and reposted here for further
> discussion, if interest)
>
>
> While I couldn't agree more with the post's starting point -- URIs identify
> (concepts) and use HTTP as your API -- I couldn't disagree more with the
> "use content negotiation" conclusion.
>
> I'm with Dan Cohen in his comment regarding using different URIs for
> different representations for several reasons below.
>
> It's harder to implement Content Negotiation than your own API, because you
> get to define your own API whereas you have to follow someone else's rules
> when you implement conneg.  You can't get your own API wrong.  I agree with
> Ruben that HTTP is better than rolling your own proprietary API, we
> disagree that conneg is the correct solution.  The choice is between conneg
> or regular HTTP, not conneg or a proprietary API.
>
> Secondly, you need to look at the HTTP headers and parse quite a complex
> structure to determine what is being requested.  You can't just put a file
> in the file system, unlike with separate URIs for distinct representations
> where it just works, instead you need server side processing.  This also
> makes it much harder to cache the responses, as the cache needs to
> determine whether or not the representation has changed -- the cache also
> needs to parse the headers rather than just comparing URI and content.  For
> large scale systems like DPLA and Europeana, caching is essential for
> quality of service.
>
> How do you find our which formats are supported by conneg? By reading the
> documentation. Which could just say "add .json on the end". The Vary header
> tells you that negotiation in the format dimension is possible, just not
> what to do to actually get anything back. There isn't a way to find this
> out from HTTP automatically,so now you need to read both the site's docs
> AND the HTTP docs.  APIs can, on the other hand, do this.  Consider
> OAI-PMH's ListMetadataFormats and SRU's Explain response.
>
> Instead you can have a separate URI for each representation and link them
> with Link headers, or just a simple rule like add '.json' on the end. No
> need for complicated content negotiation at all.  Link headers can be added
> with a simple apache configuration rule, and as they're static are easy to
> cache. So the server side is easy, and the client side is trivial.
>  Compared to being difficult at both ends with content negotiation.
>
> It can be useful to make statements about the different representations,
> and especially if you need to annotate the structure or content.  Or share
> it -- you can't email someone a link that includes the right Accept headers
> to send -- as in the post, you need to send them a command line like curl
> with -H.
>
> An experiment for fans of content negotiation: Have both .json and 302
> style conneg from your original URI to that .json file. Advertise both. See
> how many people do the conneg. If it's non-zero, I'll be extremely
> surprised.
>
> And a challenge: Even with libraries there's still complexity to figuring
> out how and what to serve. Find me sites that correctly implement * based
> fallbacks. Or even process q values. I'll bet I can find 10 that do content
> negotiation wrong, for every 1 that does it correctly.  I'll start:
> dx.doi.org touts its content negotiation for metadata, yet doesn't
> implement q values or *s. You have to go to the documentation to figure out
> what Accept headers it will do string equality tests against.
>
> Rob
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 6:24 AM, Seth van Hooland <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> >
> > Dear all,
> >
> > I guess some of you will be interested in the blogpost of my colleague
> and co-author Ruben regarding the misunderstandings on the use and abuse of
> APIs in a digital libraries context, including a description of both good
> and bad practices from Europeana, DPLA and the Cooper Hewitt museum:
> >
> > http://ruben.verborgh.org/blog/2013/11/29/the-lie-of-the-api/
> >
> > Kind regards,
> >
> > Seth van Hooland
> > Président du Master en Sciences et Technologies de l'Information et de la
> Communication (MaSTIC)
> > Université Libre de Bruxelles
> > Av. F.D. Roosevelt, 50 CP 123  | 1050 Bruxelles
> > http://homepages.ulb.ac.be/~svhoolan/
> > http://twitter.com/#!/sethvanhooland
> > http://mastic.ulb.ac.be
> > 0032 2 650 4765
> > Office: DC11.102
>



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