Johnathan,
That point is well taken. Accessibility, to me, shouldn't be a tacked-on
"we'll do the best we can" sort of thing. It's an essential part of being a
library being open to all users. Unfortunately I know our site has a lot of
work to be done regarding accessibility. I'll also pay attention to that
when/if I make mods to the v2 templates.
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 1:49 PM, Jonathan LeBreton <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:
> I might mention here that we (Temple University) found LibGuides 2.0 to
> offer some noteworthy improvements in section 508 accessibility
> when compared with version 1.0. Accessibility is a particular point of
> concern for the whole institution as we look across the city, state, and
> country at other institutions that have been called out and settled with
> various disability advocacy groups.
> So we moved to v. 2.0 during the summer in order to have those
> improvements in place for the fall semester, as well as to get the value
> from some other developments in v. 2.0 that benefit all customers.
>
> When I see email on list about making modifications to templates and
> such, it gives me a bit of concern on this score that by doing so, one
> might easily begin to make the CMS framework for content less accessible.
> I thought I should voice that. This is not to say that one shouldn't
> customize and explore enhancements etc., but one should do so with some
> care if you are operating with similar mandates or concerns. Unless I am
> mistaken, several of the examples noted are now throwing 508 errors that
> are not in the out-of-the box LibGuide templates and which are not the
> result of an individual content contributor/author inserting "bad stuff"
> like images without alt tags.
>
>
>
>
> Jonathan LeBreton
> Senior Associate University Librarian
> Editor: Library & Archival Security
> Temple University Libraries
> Paley M138, 1210 Polett Walk, Philadelphia PA 19122
> voice: 215.204.8231
> fax: 215.204.5201
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Code for Libraries [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> Cindi Blyberg
> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 12:03 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] LibGuides v2 - Templates and Nav
>
> Hey everyone!
>
> Not to turn C4L into Support4LibGuides, but... :)
>
> The infrastructure for all the APIs is in place; currently, the Guides API
> and the Subjects API are functioning. Go to Tools > API > Get Guides to
> see the general structure of the URL. Replace "guides" with "subjects" to
> retrieve your subjects. You will need your LibGuides site ID, which you
> can get from the LibApps Dashboard screen.
>
> Word is that it will not take long to add other API calls on the back end;
> if you need these now, please do email [log in to unmask] and
> reference this conversation.
>
> As for v1, we are planning on supporting it for 2 more years--that said,
> we would never leave anyone hanging, so if it takes longer than that to get
> everyone moved over, we're ready for that.
>
> Best,
> -Cindi
>
> On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 10:46 AM, Nadaleen F Tempelman-Kluit <[log in to unmask]
> >
> wrote:
>
> > Hi all-
> > While we're on the topic of LibGuides V2, when will the "GET subjects"
> > API (and other API details) be in place? We're in a holding pattern
> > until we get those details and we've not been able to get any timeline
> > as to when those assets will be in place. So we're deciding between
> > building out LibGuides CMS "Global" landing pages using the V1
> > platform, or waiting until some future date which, very soon, will
> > mean abandoning this project till next summer. If we go the former
> > route, it would also be great to know how long V1 will be supported.
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 10:29 AM, Cindi Blyberg <[log in to unmask]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 7:15 PM, Michael Schofield
> > > <[log in to unmask]>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Q1. How complicated is it to change all 3 column guides to a
> > > single-column
> > > > left/right-nav layout?
> > > >
> > > > A little. You can force the entire group [or all groups] to use a
> > single
> > > > template, which is a huge time saver, except your guides' middle
> > > > and
> > > right
> > > > columns will be in "hidden" columns rather than forced to collapse
> > into a
> > > > single column. This was pretty confusing at first. We were afraid
> > > > we actually lost content during the migration. You will need to
> > > > manually
> > hit
> > > > every guide and change the layout to single-column, but that's
> > > > just a
> > > click
> > > > of the button. If you have 400+ guides, though, that's 400+ clicks.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Alas, yes. Once we realized this was happening, our devs hashed it
> > > out
> > and
> > > will be rolling out a fix to the migration script so that this won't
> > happen
> > > again.
> > >
> > > Q2. Three-columns or single column?
> > > > Single column. Users scan, and they scan the top and left-most
> > > > portions
> > > of
> > > > the screen. Anything in the middle and to the right is lost.
> > > > Also,
> > three
> > > > columns on a responsive site is a little weird, because content is
> > pretty
> > > > squishy; on tablets you might have pretty narrow left and right
> > columns.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Actually, when you view a 3-column layout on a smaller screen, it
> > > scales down to a single column. If you're seeing otherwise, can you
> > > send us
> > some
> > > examples in case this is a bug we need to fix? Thanks. :) The key
> > > here, of course, is to have the most important information in the
> > > left-hand column, and not to have too many boxes on a single page.
> > >
> > >
> > > > Q5. Has anyone split the main content column into two smaller
> columns?
> > > > LG2 makes it crazy easy to change number and percentage-based
> > > > widths of the columns. So you could still use the
> > > > tabs-across-the-top template
> > and
> > > > create a little 33% wide left "sidebar" column and a 66% wide
> > > > right
> > main
> > > > column.
> > > >
> > >
> > > One slight caution here: if you add a second content column to a
> > side-nav
> > > layout and the guide author wants to display nav pills for the
> > > page's boxes, only the boxes from the first content column will be
> > > displayed as pills. This is by design, but we've filed it as a known
> issue.
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Code for Libraries [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> > > > Behalf
> > Of
> > > > Blake Galbreath
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 6:37 PM
> > > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] LibGuides v2 - Templates and Nav
> > > >
> > > > I have always thought that left-nav was the UX standard for
> > left-to-right
> > > > languages (as opposed to Arabic, eg.: http://www.france24.com/ar/).
> > > >
> > > > Personally, I feel that right-nav makes more sense across the
> > > > board,
> > due
> > > > to the fact that it is less distance to travel for right-handed
> people.
> > > But
> > > > the convention seems pretty set in stone. I am also not sure how
> > > > screen readers deal with right-nav - although i am guessing that
> > > > there is no problem there programming wise.
> > > >
> > > > Blake
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Brad Coffield <
> > > > [log in to unmask]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Benjamin: "Unfortunately we have authors who want *three*
> > > > > columns
> > plus
> > > > > left-nav..." LOL
> > > > >
> > > > > Margaret: Love the floating nav on that page. It's exciting that
> > we'll
> > > > > be able to leverage Bootstrap with our guides now. Moving the
> > > > > entire library website to libguides CMS is looking more and more
> promising.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Some more thoughts:
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm no UX expert but is it generally agreed that left-nav is the
> > > > > much better choice? It seems like it to me. Given current web
> > > > > wide conventions etc.
> > > > >
> > > > > One big issue to switching to left-nav in v2 is the amount of
> > > > > work it's going to take everyone to convert all guides to the new
> layout.
> > > > > Which is one of those things that both shouldn't matter (when
> > > > > looking at it in a principledness way - that is, "Whatever is
> > > > > best for the patrons! No matter
> > > > > what!) but also does matter (in a practical way - that is, "OMG
> > > > > we
> > are
> > > > > all so busy being awesome").
> > > > >
> > > > > But part of me, when looking at other people's guides and my
> > > > > own, wonders if three columns isn't just a little TOO much for the
> user.
> > > > > How is one supposed to scan the page? What's the prioritized
> > > > > information? For a couple years now I've been eschewing three
> > > > > columns whenever possible. Do others agree that three columns
> > > > > can be info
> > > > overload?
> > > > >
> > > > > Brad
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Benjamin Florin <
> > > > > [log in to unmask]>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > We've been tinkering with our LibGuides template in
> > > > > > preparation for an eventual redesign of our site and guides,
> e.g.:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://libguides.bc.edu/libraries/babst/staff
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Some of our guide authors weren't happy with the LibGuides
> > > > > > side-navigation's single-column limitation, so we made our own
> > > > > > template, moved {{guide_nav}} off to a left column, and wrote
> > > > > > our own styles to
> > > > > make
> > > > > > the default top-nav display as left-nav. We've found that a
> > > > > > 50/50
> > or
> > > > > 75/25
> > > > > > split next to the left nav looks pretty good.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Unfortunately we have authors who want *three* columns plus
> > > left-nav...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In general the LibGuides templating has felt modern and easy
> > > > > > to
> > work
> > > > > with.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ben
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 3:18 PM, Brad Coffield <
> > > > > > [log in to unmask]>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi all,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm finally diving into our Libguides v2 migration and I'm
> > > > > > > wondering if anyone would be willing to share their
> > > > > > > experience/choices regarding templating. (Or even some
> > > > > > > code!)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm thinking left-nav is the way to go. Has anyone split the
> > > > > > > main
> > > > > content
> > > > > > > column into two smaller columns? Done that with a
> > > > > > > column-width-spanning
> > > > > > box
> > > > > > > atop the main content area? Any other neato templates ideas?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > We are in the process of building a "style guide" for all
> > > > > > > libguides
> > > > > > authors
> > > > > > > to use. And also some sort of peer-review process to help
> > > > > > > enforce the
> > > > > > style
> > > > > > > guide. I'm thinking we are going to want to restrict all
> > > > > > > authors to left-nav templates but perhaps the ideal solution
> > > > > > > would be to require left-nav of all but to have a variety of
> > > > > > > custom left-nav templates to choose from.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Any thoughts are much appreciated!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Warm regards,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Brad
> > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > Francis University
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