When I was at the Robert M Bird Library I put some basic schema.org on the
old site, but I didn't mark up the hours. That'll be a project for here as
well, once I get out from under some of what I'm working on now.
Best regards,
*Jason Bengtson, MLIS, MA*
Innovation Architect
*Houston Academy of MedicineThe Texas Medical Center Library*
1133 John Freeman Blvd
Houston, TX 77030
http://library.tmc.edu/
www.jasonbengtson.com
On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 9:02 AM, Karen Coyle <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> The search engine may not pick it up quickly enough, but the emergency
> services in the area could get it from the RDFa as soon as it hits the web.
>
> kc
>
>
> On 5/6/15 6:45 AM, nitin arora wrote:
>
>> I think both creating a one-off list and schema.org approaches pose
>> problems within the context of the original fund raising campaign's pitch.
>> I don't think every library can necessarily implement the latter for a
>> variety of reasons, not always technical.
>>
>> From the pov that a library can be a community center in a time of
>> crisis,
>> I'm wondering not only how quickly a search engine would pick that up but
>> also, in such moments, how prioritized updating that data would be in the
>> first place.
>>
>> On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 8:22 AM, Charlie Morris <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I'm curious, Karen, Ethan or anyone else, do you know of any examples of
>>> libraries that have implemented schema.org or RDFa for hours data and
>>> have
>>> noticed that Google or some other search engine has picked it up (i.e.,
>>> correctly displaying that data as part of the search results)? And if
>>> so,
>>> how quickly will Google or the like pickup on changes to hours (i.e.,
>>> shifting between semesters or unplanned changes)?
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 8:15 AM, Ethan Gruber <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>
>>> +1 on the RDFa and schema.org. For those that don't know the library
>>>> URL
>>>> off-hand, it is much easier to find a library website by Googling than
>>>> it
>>>> is to go through the central university portal, and the hours will show
>>>>
>>> up
>>>
>>>> at the top of the page after having been harvested by search engines.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 6:54 PM, Karen Coyle <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Note that library hours is one of the possible bits of information that
>>>>> could be encoded as RDFa in the library web site, thus making it
>>>>>
>>>> possible
>>>
>>>> to derive library hours directly from the listing of hours on the web
>>>>>
>>>> site
>>>>
>>>>> rather than keeping a separate list. Schema.org does have the elements
>>>>>
>>>> such
>>>>
>>>>> that hours can be encoded. This would mean that hours could show in the
>>>>> display of the library's catalog entry on Google, Yahoo and Bing. Being
>>>>> available directly through the search engines might be sufficient, not
>>>>> necessitating creating yet-another-database for that data.
>>>>>
>>>>> Schema.org uses a restaurant as its opening hours example, but much of
>>>>>
>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>> data would be the same for a library:
>>>>>
>>>>> <div vocab="http://schema.org/" typeof="Restaurant">
>>>>> <span property="name">GreatFood</span>
>>>>> <div property="aggregateRating" typeof="AggregateRating">
>>>>> <span property="ratingValue">4</span> stars -
>>>>> based on <span property="reviewCount">250</span> reviews
>>>>> </div>
>>>>> <div property="address" typeof="PostalAddress">
>>>>> <span property="streetAddress">1901 Lemur Ave</span>
>>>>> <span property="addressLocality">Sunnyvale</span>,
>>>>> <span property="addressRegion">CA</span> <span
>>>>> property="postalCode">94086</span>
>>>>> </div>
>>>>> <span property="telephone">(408) 714-1489</span>
>>>>> <a property="url" href="http://www.dishdash.com">www.greatfood.com
>>>>>
>>>> </a>
>>>
>>>> Hours:
>>>>> <meta property="openingHours" content="Mo-Sa 11:00-14:30">Mon-Sat
>>>>>
>>>> 11am
>>>
>>>> -
>>>>
>>>>> 2:30pm
>>>>> <meta property="openingHours" content="Mo-Th 17:00-21:30">Mon-Thu
>>>>>
>>>> 5pm -
>>>
>>>> 9:30pm
>>>>> <meta property="openingHours" content="Fr-Sa 17:00-22:00">Fri-Sat
>>>>>
>>>> 5pm -
>>>
>>>> 10:00pm
>>>>> Categories:
>>>>> <span property="servesCuisine">
>>>>> Middle Eastern
>>>>> </span>,
>>>>> <span property="servesCuisine">
>>>>> Mediterranean
>>>>> </span>
>>>>> Price Range: <span property="priceRange">$$</span>
>>>>> Takes Reservations: Yes
>>>>> </div>
>>>>>
>>>>> It seems to me that using schema.org would get more bang for the buck
>>>>>
>>>> --
>>>
>>>> it would get into the search engines and could also be aggregated into
>>>>> whatever database is needed. As we've seen with OCLC, having a separate
>>>>> listing is likely to mean that the data will be out of date.
>>>>>
>>>>> kc
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5/5/15 2:19 PM, nitin arora wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I can't see they distinguished between public libraries and other
>>>>>>
>>>>> types
>>>
>>>> on
>>>>
>>>>> their campaign page.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They say " all libraries" as far as I can see.
>>>>>> So I suppose then that this is true for "all libraries":
>>>>>> "Libraries offer a space anyone can enter, where money isn't
>>>>>>
>>>>> exchanged,
>>>
>>>> and
>>>>>> documentation doesn't have to be shown."
>>>>>> Who knew fines and library/student-IDs were a thing of the past?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The only data sets I can find where they got the 17,000 number is for
>>>>>> public libraries:
>>>>>> http://www.imls.gov/research/pls_data_files.aspx
>>>>>> Maybe I missed something.
>>>>>> There is an hours field on one of the CSVs I downloaded, etc for 2012
>>>>>>
>>>>> data
>>>>
>>>>> (the most recent I could find).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Asking 10k for something targeted for completion in June and without a
>>>>>> grasp on what types of libraries there are and how volatile the hours
>>>>>> information is (especially in crisis) ...
>>>>>> Sounds naive at best, sketchy at worst.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The "flexible funding" button says "this campaign will receive all
>>>>>>
>>>>> funds
>>>
>>>> raised even if it does not reach its goals".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "The value of these places for youth cannot be underestimated."
>>>>>> So is the value of a quick buck ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 4:53 PM, McCanna, Terran <
>>>>>> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not at all surprised that this doesn't already exist, and even
>>>>>> if
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OCLC's was available, I'd be willing to bet it was out of date.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Public library hours, especially in underfunded areas, may fluctuate
>>>>>>> depending on funding cycles, seasons (whether school is in or out),
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> etc.,
>>>>
>>>>> not to mention closing/reopening/moving because of old buildings that
>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>> to be updated. We have around 280 locations in our consortium and we
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> have
>>>>
>>>>> to rely on self-reporting to find out if their hours change. We
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> certainly
>>>>
>>>>> don't have staff time to check every one of their web sites on
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> regular
>>>
>>>> basis, I can't imagine keeping track of 17,000!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Terran McCanna
>>>>>>> PINES Program Manager
>>>>>>> Georgia Public Library Service
>>>>>>> 1800 Century Place, Suite 150
>>>>>>> Atlanta, GA 30345
>>>>>>> 404-235-7138
>>>>>>> [log in to unmask]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Peter Murray" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2015 4:36:56 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Library Hours
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OCLC has an institutional registry [1], which had (in part) library
>>>>>>> hours,
>>>>>>> addresses, and so forth. It seems to be unavailable, though [2].
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> That
>>>
>>>> is
>>>>>>> the only systematic collection of library hours data that I know
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> about.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [1] https://www.oclc.org/worldcat-registry.en.html
>>>>>>> [2] https://www.worldcat.org/registry/institution/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On May 5, 2015, at 4:16 PM, Bigwood, David <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This looks like a decent group, but I find this statement hard to
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> believe.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Your tax-deductible donation supports adding the names, address and
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>> hours of operation of all libraries to Range. The Institute of Museum
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> and
>>>>
>>>>> Library Services publishes an open data catalog which is the source
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> we'll
>>>>
>>>>> use for the names and the addresses of the nation's libraries.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> However,
>>>
>>>> there isn't a listing of the days and hours of operation for all
>>>>>>> libraries
>>>>>>> in the US. We are going to track down the hours of operation for all
>>>>>>> 17,000
>>>>>>> libraries and make that information available -- in Range and for
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> other
>>>
>>>> developers who may want to use it."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/range-food-and-safe-places-for-youth
>>>>
>>>>> Are the hours of public libraries really not available?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>> David Bigwood
>>>>>>>> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>>>> Lunar and Planetary Institute
>>>>>>>> @LPI_Library
>>>>>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lunarandplanetaryinstitute/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>> Karen Coyle
>>>>> [log in to unmask] http://kcoyle.net
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
>>
> --
> Karen Coyle
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