I believe the objective, of the search engines, is to be able to provide
user useful functionality in both their Knowledge Graphs and on mobile
devices for all local businesses. I note now when I search for the local
branch of Best Buy or similar on my iPhone I get the 'Open Now' or 'Closed
Now' message as part of the result.
Karen is right about anyone, including emergency services, being able to
harvest this data from your site - mage easier by using a consistent format
such as Schema.org.
As an aside, the Schema.org community is currently discussing the
formatting of opening hours, and consistence with other similar event based
timings. It looks like they are going to keep it simple for the moment,
returning to issues such as exceptions like "open every day 9-5 except
Wednesdays in January of a leap year" in the near future.
Richard.
On 6 May 2015 at 15:02, Karen Coyle <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> The search engine may not pick it up quickly enough, but the emergency
> services in the area could get it from the RDFa as soon as it hits the web.
>
> kc
>
>
> On 5/6/15 6:45 AM, nitin arora wrote:
>
>> I think both creating a one-off list and schema.org approaches pose
>> problems within the context of the original fund raising campaign's pitch.
>> I don't think every library can necessarily implement the latter for a
>> variety of reasons, not always technical.
>>
>> From the pov that a library can be a community center in a time of
>> crisis,
>> I'm wondering not only how quickly a search engine would pick that up but
>> also, in such moments, how prioritized updating that data would be in the
>> first place.
>>
>> On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 8:22 AM, Charlie Morris <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I'm curious, Karen, Ethan or anyone else, do you know of any examples of
>>> libraries that have implemented schema.org or RDFa for hours data and
>>> have
>>> noticed that Google or some other search engine has picked it up (i.e.,
>>> correctly displaying that data as part of the search results)? And if
>>> so,
>>> how quickly will Google or the like pickup on changes to hours (i.e.,
>>> shifting between semesters or unplanned changes)?
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 8:15 AM, Ethan Gruber <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>
>>> +1 on the RDFa and schema.org. For those that don't know the library
>>>> URL
>>>> off-hand, it is much easier to find a library website by Googling than
>>>> it
>>>> is to go through the central university portal, and the hours will show
>>>>
>>> up
>>>
>>>> at the top of the page after having been harvested by search engines.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 6:54 PM, Karen Coyle <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Note that library hours is one of the possible bits of information that
>>>>> could be encoded as RDFa in the library web site, thus making it
>>>>>
>>>> possible
>>>
>>>> to derive library hours directly from the listing of hours on the web
>>>>>
>>>> site
>>>>
>>>>> rather than keeping a separate list. Schema.org does have the elements
>>>>>
>>>> such
>>>>
>>>>> that hours can be encoded. This would mean that hours could show in the
>>>>> display of the library's catalog entry on Google, Yahoo and Bing. Being
>>>>> available directly through the search engines might be sufficient, not
>>>>> necessitating creating yet-another-database for that data.
>>>>>
>>>>> Schema.org uses a restaurant as its opening hours example, but much of
>>>>>
>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>> data would be the same for a library:
>>>>>
>>>>> <div vocab="http://schema.org/" typeof="Restaurant">
>>>>> <span property="name">GreatFood</span>
>>>>> <div property="aggregateRating" typeof="AggregateRating">
>>>>> <span property="ratingValue">4</span> stars -
>>>>> based on <span property="reviewCount">250</span> reviews
>>>>> </div>
>>>>> <div property="address" typeof="PostalAddress">
>>>>> <span property="streetAddress">1901 Lemur Ave</span>
>>>>> <span property="addressLocality">Sunnyvale</span>,
>>>>> <span property="addressRegion">CA</span> <span
>>>>> property="postalCode">94086</span>
>>>>> </div>
>>>>> <span property="telephone">(408) 714-1489</span>
>>>>> <a property="url" href="http://www.dishdash.com">www.greatfood.com
>>>>>
>>>> </a>
>>>
>>>> Hours:
>>>>> <meta property="openingHours" content="Mo-Sa 11:00-14:30">Mon-Sat
>>>>>
>>>> 11am
>>>
>>>> -
>>>>
>>>>> 2:30pm
>>>>> <meta property="openingHours" content="Mo-Th 17:00-21:30">Mon-Thu
>>>>>
>>>> 5pm -
>>>
>>>> 9:30pm
>>>>> <meta property="openingHours" content="Fr-Sa 17:00-22:00">Fri-Sat
>>>>>
>>>> 5pm -
>>>
>>>> 10:00pm
>>>>> Categories:
>>>>> <span property="servesCuisine">
>>>>> Middle Eastern
>>>>> </span>,
>>>>> <span property="servesCuisine">
>>>>> Mediterranean
>>>>> </span>
>>>>> Price Range: <span property="priceRange">$$</span>
>>>>> Takes Reservations: Yes
>>>>> </div>
>>>>>
>>>>> It seems to me that using schema.org would get more bang for the buck
>>>>>
>>>> --
>>>
>>>> it would get into the search engines and could also be aggregated into
>>>>> whatever database is needed. As we've seen with OCLC, having a separate
>>>>> listing is likely to mean that the data will be out of date.
>>>>>
>>>>> kc
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5/5/15 2:19 PM, nitin arora wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I can't see they distinguished between public libraries and other
>>>>>>
>>>>> types
>>>
>>>> on
>>>>
>>>>> their campaign page.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They say " all libraries" as far as I can see.
>>>>>> So I suppose then that this is true for "all libraries":
>>>>>> "Libraries offer a space anyone can enter, where money isn't
>>>>>>
>>>>> exchanged,
>>>
>>>> and
>>>>>> documentation doesn't have to be shown."
>>>>>> Who knew fines and library/student-IDs were a thing of the past?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The only data sets I can find where they got the 17,000 number is for
>>>>>> public libraries:
>>>>>> http://www.imls.gov/research/pls_data_files.aspx
>>>>>> Maybe I missed something.
>>>>>> There is an hours field on one of the CSVs I downloaded, etc for 2012
>>>>>>
>>>>> data
>>>>
>>>>> (the most recent I could find).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Asking 10k for something targeted for completion in June and without a
>>>>>> grasp on what types of libraries there are and how volatile the hours
>>>>>> information is (especially in crisis) ...
>>>>>> Sounds naive at best, sketchy at worst.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The "flexible funding" button says "this campaign will receive all
>>>>>>
>>>>> funds
>>>
>>>> raised even if it does not reach its goals".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "The value of these places for youth cannot be underestimated."
>>>>>> So is the value of a quick buck ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 4:53 PM, McCanna, Terran <
>>>>>> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not at all surprised that this doesn't already exist, and even
>>>>>> if
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OCLC's was available, I'd be willing to bet it was out of date.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Public library hours, especially in underfunded areas, may fluctuate
>>>>>>> depending on funding cycles, seasons (whether school is in or out),
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> etc.,
>>>>
>>>>> not to mention closing/reopening/moving because of old buildings that
>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>> to be updated. We have around 280 locations in our consortium and we
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> have
>>>>
>>>>> to rely on self-reporting to find out if their hours change. We
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> certainly
>>>>
>>>>> don't have staff time to check every one of their web sites on
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> regular
>>>
>>>> basis, I can't imagine keeping track of 17,000!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Terran McCanna
>>>>>>> PINES Program Manager
>>>>>>> Georgia Public Library Service
>>>>>>> 1800 Century Place, Suite 150
>>>>>>> Atlanta, GA 30345
>>>>>>> 404-235-7138
>>>>>>> [log in to unmask]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Peter Murray" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2015 4:36:56 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Library Hours
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OCLC has an institutional registry [1], which had (in part) library
>>>>>>> hours,
>>>>>>> addresses, and so forth. It seems to be unavailable, though [2].
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> That
>>>
>>>> is
>>>>>>> the only systematic collection of library hours data that I know
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> about.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [1] https://www.oclc.org/worldcat-registry.en.html
>>>>>>> [2] https://www.worldcat.org/registry/institution/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On May 5, 2015, at 4:16 PM, Bigwood, David <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This looks like a decent group, but I find this statement hard to
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> believe.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Your tax-deductible donation supports adding the names, address and
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>> hours of operation of all libraries to Range. The Institute of Museum
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> and
>>>>
>>>>> Library Services publishes an open data catalog which is the source
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> we'll
>>>>
>>>>> use for the names and the addresses of the nation's libraries.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> However,
>>>
>>>> there isn't a listing of the days and hours of operation for all
>>>>>>> libraries
>>>>>>> in the US. We are going to track down the hours of operation for all
>>>>>>> 17,000
>>>>>>> libraries and make that information available -- in Range and for
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> other
>>>
>>>> developers who may want to use it."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/range-food-and-safe-places-for-youth
>>>>
>>>>> Are the hours of public libraries really not available?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>> David Bigwood
>>>>>>>> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>>>> Lunar and Planetary Institute
>>>>>>>> @LPI_Library
>>>>>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lunarandplanetaryinstitute/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>> Karen Coyle
>>>>> [log in to unmask] http://kcoyle.net
>>>>> m: +1-510-435-8234
>>>>> skype: kcoylenet/+1-510-984-3600
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
>>
> --
> Karen Coyle
> [log in to unmask] http://kcoyle.net
> m: +1-510-435-8234
> skype: kcoylenet/+1-510-984-3600
>
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