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Re: Don't Change Your Site Because of Reference Librarians RE: [CODE4LIB] Responsive website question

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Cary Gordon <[log in to unmask]>

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Code for Libraries <[log in to unmask]>

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Mon, 8 Feb 2016 17:40:18 -0800

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I have long held the following opinion on zoom control directives:

Grrrrrr


> On Feb 8, 2016, at 10:16 AM, Haitz, Lisa (haitzlm) <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> 
> In the case of the original question, with regard to  <http://langsdale.ubalt.edu>  
> This code is on the web site:
> <meta name="viewport"
>            content="width=device-width, initial-scale=1.0, maximum-scale=1.0"/>
> 
> 
> In my experience, I thought having the max-scale value would affect accessibility, by breaking the zoom function.?? 
> 
> http://a11yproject.com/posts/never-use-maximum-scale/
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Code for Libraries [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Cary Gordon
> Sent: Monday, February 08, 2016 12:11 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Don't Change Your Site Because of Reference Librarians RE: [CODE4LIB] Responsive website question
> 
> This is less a matter of site behavior that it is an issue with how the zoom feature works. I agree that zoom should work as you describe, but it won’t work that way if the browser is sending the wrong message regarding the viewport. The viewport should not change when the page is zoomed in on. I think that most users would expect that zooming would enlarge a protion of the viewport, and that is what it should do.
> 
> Cary
> 
> Cary Gordon, MLS
> The Cherry Hill Company
> http://chillco.com
> 
>> On Feb 8, 2016, at 8:25 AM, Katherine Deibel <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> 
>>> When people zoom in (e.g., CTRL+), they aren't actually *zooming in* insomuch as making the viewport smaller. The viewport is the keystone to the media query magic that makes websites responsive. When it is smaller, like for your phone, then it presents a different layout.
>> 
>> Because yes, that is exactly what users are expecting when they use a feature called zoom. Content and layout change too in other applications like Word, PDF readers, etc. when you zoom in and out... oh wait... they don't.
>> 
>> Nope. I would argue that most users believe zoom works like zoom in other applications and would not talk about the technical aspects of how responsiveness and concepts like view ports.
>> 
>> From a disability accessibility perspective, magnification is not purely about text readability but making sure that all features of a website---images, interactive widgets, text, etc.---are of use to the user. Merely changing the font size is like putting out a fire in the kitchen while the rest of the house is ablaze.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Kate Deibel, PhD | Web Applications Specialist Information Technology 
>> Services University of Washington Libraries 
>> http://staff.washington.edu/deibel
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> "When Thor shows up, it's always deus ex machina."
>> 
>> On 2016-02-08 7:18 AM, Michael Schofield wrote:
>>> Hi folks,
>>> 
>>> Chiming in. Kyle asked
>>> 
>>>> The reference librarians frequently zoom in on our homepage during class instruction, and have noticed that after they zoom in a bit, our homepage switches from desktop to the mobile layout. Is there any easy way around this?  In other words, is it possible to fix the site so that, if a user is on a desktop/laptop, zooming in on the homepage will *not* flip the user over to the mobile layout?
>>> 
>>> This is actually the normal and expected behavior of responsive websites. Otherwise breaking this zoom would make the content less accessible, but perhaps a workaround would be to add a font size toggle in the header of the website where users can increase or decrease just the font size. Since I read you were using jQuery, check out this code that does what I described really neatly: http://codepen.io/ianfarb/pen/sxbvk .
>>> 
>>> When people zoom in (e.g., CTRL+), they aren't actually *zooming in* insomuch as making the viewport smaller. The viewport is the keystone to the media query magic that makes websites responsive. When it is smaller, like for your phone, then it presents a different layout.
>>> 
>>> Anyway, I really wanted to comment to warn against making changes like this to your website because of library-specific use cases - e.g., someone, staff or stakeholder, complains. These don't reflect the use cases of your patronbase.
>>> 
>>> The reference librarians can change the default font size of their 
>>> browsers. I would make them google that, rather than seek to break 
>>> the zoom. For starters, here is how you go about it in Chrome. 
>>> http://www.ehow.com/how_10035444_change-text-size-color-google.html
>>> 
>>> Good question!
>>> 
>>> Michael Schofield
>>> www.libux.co / @schoeyfield / www.webforlibraries.com
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Code for Libraries [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf 
>>> Of Katherine N. Deibel
>>> Sent: Friday, February 5, 2016 2:43 PM
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Responsive website question
>>> 
>>> This is actually a really good question as it gets into an 
>>> interesting tension between responsiveness and accessibility. Zooming 
>>> is often a useful means of addressing visual access issues, and one 
>>> cannot presume that a user will have external or in-browser apps for magnification.
>>> 
>>> There is some literature on defining media queries using em/rem units 
>>> instead of pixels, which would address some of the issues.
>>> http://blog.cloudfour.com/the-ems-have-it-proportional-media-queries-
>>> ftw/ https://css-tricks.com/zooming-squishes/
>>> 
>>> I can't say for certain about this, however, as I haven't tested it yet.
>>> I have now added zooming vs responsiveness to my testing criteria.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Kate Deibel, PhD | Web Applications Specialist Information Technology 
>>> Services University of Washington Libraries 
>>> http://staff.washington.edu/deibel
>>> 
>>> --
>>> 
>>> "When Thor shows up, it's always deus ex machina."
>>> 
>>> On 2/5/2016 10:40 AM, Kyle Breneman wrote:
>>>> Happy Friday, everybody!
>>>> 
>>>> Our library recently got a shiny new, responsive-esque website.
>>>> <http://langsdale.ubalt.edu>  The reference librarians frequently 
>>>> zoom in on our homepage during class instruction, and have noticed 
>>>> that after they zoom in a bit, our homepage switches from desktop to the mobile layout.
>>>> 
>>>> Is there any easy way around this?  In other words, is it possible 
>>>> to fix the site so that, if a user is on a desktop/laptop, zooming 
>>>> in on the homepage will *not* flip the user over to the mobile layout?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks for your help!
>>>> 
>>>> Kyle
>>>> 

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