I disagree with the statement that "Vagrant is not a good idea for production.” Vagrant is a terrible idea for production, and it is not designed for that.

We use Ansible to build Islandora, and, after three years of talking about it we are starting to use it with Docker. We are an AWS shop, so we use Docker with AWS elastic container service, which could come in handy if one of your archives gets slashdotted.

Cary

> On Apr 6, 2016, at 8:53 AM, Chris Fitzpatrick <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> 
> Vagrant is not a good idea for production. It's really for people to work
> against a copy of the production environment.
> Like you can use Vagrant, then update a ansible or puppet or chef script
> then deploy that to yr VM.
> Hashicorp is making something called Otto which is supposed to replace
> Vagrant for end-to-end deployments like this, but that's in alpha now.
> 
> Vagrant isn't  like virtualenv at all. Virtualenv is a way to maintain
> Python dependencies by mucking around with some environment variables. It's
> more like Ruby's bundler.
> 
> It's kinda more like Docker. Docker makes linux containers. Nobody knows
> what those are, but they work great.
> 
> I've seen Vagrant used in production and it supposedly worked well but the
> guy who set it up left and things went bad. It wasn't a performance issue,
> it's just really hard for the replacement to figure out what's going on.
> Use Vagrant with Ansible/Puppet/Chef. Or use Docker. Or use all of that,
> for the win.
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 3:55 PM, Francis Kayiwa <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> 
>> On 4/6/16 9:49 AM, Annamarie C Klose wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi, all,
>>> 
>>> Can anyone provide a technical explanation as to why it is not
>>> appropriate to install Islandora on a public server with Vagrant? Despite
>>> all the documentation instructing that Vagrant is for development only, my
>>> university's IT department thinks Vagrant makes Islandora more secure for
>>> production use. They have also stated "Vagrant is used to keep dependencies
>>> separate on machines in the same way Pythons Virtualenv or Ruby's Docker
>>> is." Unfortunately, secure networking is outside of my expertise. I'm
>>> concerned that Vagrant's virtualization is a poor substitute for the real
>>> thing. Before I add hundreds of records to Islandora, I'd like to make sure
>>> that I'm building my library's digital collections on a steady foundation.
>>> Any advice and/or explanations to give IT is welcome.
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> If we agree  that your University IT are the Operations people find the
>> nicest way to tell them how the developers of Vagrant view the tool below
>> 
>> https://www.vagrantup.com/docs/why-vagrant/
>> 
>> Specifically. "...If you are an operations engineer, Vagrant gives you a
>> disposable environment and consistent workflow for developing and testing
>> infrastructure management scripts..."
>> 
>> You are also correct in being wary about having a production application
>> running on Vagrant. A part of me wants to test that just for laughs, but it
>> will be painful to set up for them and the performance will horrible for
>> you.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> ./fxk
>> 
>> --
>> "Anyone attempting to generate random numbers by deterministic means is,
>> of course, living in a state of sin."
>> -- John Von Neumann
>>