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CODE4LIB November 2016

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Re: Post-election statement draft - also waiting for merge

From:

Michelle Lubatti <[log in to unmask]>

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Code for Libraries <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 18 Nov 2016 15:59:37 -0500

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I think the reason that the community assumed you were announcing an
incident is because in response to this question: "I have not encountered
any negativity on this email list myself. Are others experiencing this?"
The answer you provided was only: "Unfortunately, consider yourself lucky
in this regard." I'm afraid I'm not sure how else to understand this
answer.

You're probably right about many people only speaking up about harassment
when they or someone they know has been harassed. I've experienced
demeaning comments about my beliefs and cultural differences (my family
moved a lot growing up, so my mannerisms reflect many cultures) for years.
If not for those experiences and those of some friends, maybe I wouldn't
speak out. I don't know.

Email lists can be difficult, because statements like the above interaction
can be misconstrued. My apologies if you found it offensive that we read
your email and took a different meaning that the one that you intended.

I thought the CoC made a lot of sense applied to the email list. Any
suggestions for what we could add to the statement to specifically address
email list interactions?

Kate's idea to include different levels of knowledge and expertise in the
statement is a good one. Should we also include not discriminating based
upon one's level of experience with technology?

Michelle

On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 3:16 PM, Kate Deibel <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> It's interesting that everyone assumed my e-mail was an announcement of my
> being harassed. There are several telling things about that. One, it
> assumes that only people who speak up about harassment are those who have
> been victims. It also suggests that unless a victim goes public, the
> assumption is that there are no complaints so all is hunky-dory. There's
> also the assumption that the mailing list is the C4L community. Apparently,
> the conference, slack channels, regional meetings, etc. are not part of it.
> Codes of conduct and post-election statements apply to the community as a
> whole.
>
> I debated if I wanted to confirm or deny my status, but yes, I have been
> harassed in the community. Due to having a decade plus experience of how
> harassment plays out in a public sphere, I won't go into details because
> I'm not up for the nitpicking of if it was really that bad. Moreover, I
> know others who have faced various forms of harassment in this community.
> I've talked with them both proactively and because some reached out to me.
> Not everyone I've talked to will speak up like I have. Even if I had not
> had my experiences, I would still speak up for people who may not feel safe
> to do so.
>
> And as an aside, people should note that the CoC is written primarily for
> the conference and events. It does not necessarily describe what harassment
> may be like in asynchronous or purely digital interaction. Some FOSS CoCs
> include mentions of not making comments that belittle different levels of
> knowledge or expertise in the community.
>
> --
>
> Kate Deibel, PhD | Web Applications Specialist
> Information Technology Services & Digital Strategies
> University of Washington Libraries
> --
>
> "When Thor shows up, it's always deus ex machina."
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Code for Libraries [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> Michelle Lubatti
> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 8:48 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Post-election statement draft - also waiting for
> merge
>
> Thanks, Matt.
>
> I'll venture to answer these, too.
>
> - Have there been recent incidents of "... bigotry, intolerance, hatred,
> harassment, and violence in Code4Lib" that warrant a re-iterated statement?
>
> Kate answered this one for us earlier when she announced that she had been
> a victim of harassment on this list. I did not think any incidents had
> happened, since I had not received any emails with inappropriate
> discourse. Kate did not divulge details in her response to the list, and I
> did not see the email interaction myself, so it's possible the interaction
> was off the list by a fellow member of the list (or it just got lost in my
> inbox).
>
> - What are C4L's desired outcomes of "diversity, equity, and inclusion",
> and will such a statement improve the attainment of such ends? Is the goal
> of C4L to promote "diversity, equity, and inclusion" within C4L, the
> software technology community at large, or beyond?
>
> My impression is that this statement is meant to reiterate that the
> incident is not supported by list members, and that all members should feel
> safe to interact on this list.
>
> - What constitutes "bigotry, intolerance, hatred, harassment, and violence"
> is not always obvious, and often needs to be teased out through reasoned
> dialogue.
>
> Very true. Even Tim Kaine (the vice presidential candidate for one of the
> political parties) commented recently that hate speech may be considered
> opinions, and that opinions require no apology. Unless this new diversity
> statement will change it, the Code of Conduct lists the following as a
> definition of harassment:
>
> "Harassment is understood as any behavior that threatens another person or
> group, or produces an unsafe environment. It includes offensive verbal
> comments or non-verbal expressions related to gender, gender identity,
> gender expression, sexual orientation, disability, physical appearance,
> body size, race, age, religious beliefs, sexual or discriminatory images in
> public spaces (including online), deliberate intimidation, stalking,
> following, harassing photography or recording, sustained disruption of
> talks or other events, inappropriate physical contact, and unwelcome sexual
> attention."
>
> An openness to reasoned dialogue is ideal, and I think the code of conduct
> allows for this to a point. If one or both parties of a discussion is
> being (or perceived as) offensive, and the interaction ends immediately
> after the (real or perceived) offense is pointed out, then no further
> action is taken against the individual(s). At least, this is how I
> understand it.
>
> For Code4Lib email lists purposes, I don't think reasoned (or
> unreasonable) dialogue is part of the email list's purpose. I admit I have
> seen some, and the inclusion of "this year's contentious election season"
> in the draft statement is already excluding our international members.
>
> - If inclusion spans "all technologists", then excluding those who dissent
> or present points of view bordering on "bigotry, intolerance, hatred,
> harassment, and violence" will be silenced, and likely to (further) develop
> resentment and anger, leading to further division. Is it better to exclude
> such people through language as forcefully as possible, or promote an
> environment of reasoned dialogue and relating to the "other"? When people
> are silenced they may go underground, and is it better to be underground or
> in the open?
>
> I think this is part of the problem in the U.S. right now. So many people
> have been silenced and mocked, that when they finally began to speak they
> came on stronger than they should have and in surprise the "status quo"
> voices retaliated, which incited disrespectful speech to continue and
> worsen on both sides. I know many good librarians, who said some very
> cruel things immediately after the election. Maybe if we hadn't silenced
> so many voices, if we had encouraged them to speak and to have a safe place
> to work through their ideas and dialogue with others, we may not have
> witnessed the shock and cruelty we have witnessed.
>
> - Will this re-iterated statement promote self-monitoring and
> self-censorship and thereby decrease diversity, one of the primary values
> of C4L?
>
> I hope not, but that was my first thought, too. Of all times, this is
> when affirmation, unity, and dialogue are needed. I think how we word the
> statement will do a lot to either 1) promote self-monitoring &
> self-censorship, or 2) promote unity and respect for everyone.
>
> I agree with Christina & Kyle that a shorter statement will have more
> force and that removing time-sensitive elements will make our statement
> appear stronger and not just a knee-jerk reaction to political events.
>
> I recommend considering 1) use the second paragraph (which explains why we
> as technologists value respect & empathy toward all people) and the last
> paragraph, without the final sentence; or 2) just use the last paragraph,
> without the final sentence.
>
> Either of these would give a concise, forceful statement. Removing the
> election references will make it clear the statement includes everyone, and
> not just certain voters or supporters of a political candidate. The
> history paragraph seems to celebrate Code4Lib, rather than emphasize the
> statement of what we value.
>
> The second to last sentence of the last paragraph ("There is no place for
> bigotry, intolerance, hatred, harassment, or violence in Code4Lib.") should
> be either 1) defined, 2) simplified, or 3) removed. The Code of Conduct
> defines harassment, so maybe just include the word "harassment" if the
> other terms aren't defined?
>
> Thank you for all the work and thought everyone has put into this,
> especially Bohyun!
>
> Michelle
>
> On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 9:03 AM, Matthew Mikitka <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > Hello Bohun and others,
> >
> > I am writing this from north of the border, and although I am not a US
> > citizen, the political activities of the US are certainly relevant to
> > Canada. I believe that our social groups, including C4L, are forums
> > through which we think through and enact political activity. I wish to
> > articulate some of my thoughts in point-form to promote dialogue on a
> > diverse perspective to the problems addressed in the re-iterated
> statement.
> >
> > - Have there been recent incidents of "... bigotry, intolerance,
> > hatred, harassment, and violence in Code4Lib" that warrant a re-iterated
> statement?
> >
> > - What are C4L's desired outcomes of "diversity, equity, and
> > inclusion", and will such a statement improve the attainment of such
> > ends? Is the goal of C4L to promote "diversity, equity, and inclusion"
> > within C4L, the software technology community at large, or beyond?
> >
> > - What constitutes "bigotry, intolerance, hatred, harassment, and
> > violence" is not always obvious, and often needs to be teased out
> > through reasoned dialogue.
> >
> > - If inclusion spans "all technologists", then excluding those who
> > dissent or present points of view bordering on "bigotry, intolerance,
> > hatred, harassment, and violence" will be silenced, and likely to
> > (further) develop resentment and anger, leading to further division.
> > Is it better to exclude such people through language as forcefully as
> > possible, or promote an environment of reasoned dialogue and relating
> > to the "other"? When people are silenced they may go underground, and
> > is it better to be underground or in the open?
> >
> > - Will this re-iterated statement promote self-monitoring and
> > self-censorship and thereby decrease diversity, one of the primary
> > values of C4L?
> >
> > With regards,
> > matt
> > ________________________________________
> > From: Code for Libraries <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Kim,
> > Bohyun <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 12:59
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Post-election statement draft - also waiting
> > for merge
> >
> > Apologies for forgetting the spell-check! I was typing too fast. Here
> > is a version with less typos! : )
> >
> > Under ordinary circumstances, there shouldn't be a great need for
> > Code4Lib to reiterate our values of diversity, equity, and inclusion.
> > However, this year's contentious election season followed by many
> > appalling acts of hate around the country has left us with no choice
> > but to re-affirm our unfaltering support and strong commitment to these
> fundamental values.
> >
> > As technologists, we always look for ways to make things work better.
> > We love efficiency; we love elegance; we aspire to be free of any pain
> > point or bug in everything we design and build. But we do this not for
> > the sake of efficiency, elegance, and our deeply-rooted desire to
> > improve things. We do this for the sake of people. Our ultimate
> > aspiration is to help people get things done with the tools we create
> > with delight. For this, we try to understand our users with all their
> > differences in race, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity,
> > religion, disability, age, genetic information, veteran status,
> > ancestry, national or ethnic origin, language, socio-economic
> > background, citizenship status, and more. This is why we rely on
> > empathy as one of the most important guiding principles in all we do
> > as technologists. Without our caring, our work as a developer, designer,
> information specialist, and IT professional would be missing its heart.
> >
> > Code4Lib has a proud history of recognizing the lack of diversity in
> > the technology sector as a serious problem and acting to address it
> > head-on. In the Code4Lib community, diversity, equity, and inclusion
> > are not mere words. They underpin all we do from Diversity
> > Scholarships, Newcomer Dinner, Code of Conduct, to our decision
> > regarding where to host our next Code4Lib conference. They represent
> > and reflect our shared and cherished understanding that we always solve
> difficult problems better together.
> >
> > As a community that deeply values diversity, equity, and inclusion,
> > Code4Lib will always be a welcoming and safe community for all who are
> > passionate about information and technology. Everyone in our community
> > is valued and respected regardless of what they look like, what their
> > faiths are, what disabilities they may have, how they identify their
> > gender, who they love, where they come from, what language they speak,
> > or where they live. There is no place for bigotry, intolerance,
> > hatred, harassment, and violence in Code4Lib. Today, we stand together
> > in our most forceful support for diversity, equity, and inclusion.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Bohyun
> >
> >
> > From: "Kim, Bohyun" <[log in to unmask]>
> > Date: Thursday, November 17, 2016 at 12:40 PM
> > To: "[log in to unmask]" <[log in to unmask]>
> > Subject: Post-election statement draft - also waiting for merge
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > As promised, I issued a pull request with 5 files which includes my
> > draft for the post-election statement from Code4Lib.
> >
> > Someone who has the write access to the C4L repo in Github, please merge.
> > You can see the files here.
> > https://github.com/code4lib/antiharassment-policy/pull/56/commits/
> > 452570ec38b7becafc766c57b8916fa0f9981803
> >
> > My draft statement also below. You should be able to edit once merged.
> > Thanks everyone for standing behind this idea!
> >
> > Under ordinary circumstances, there shouldn't be a great need for
> > Code4Lib to reiterate our values of diversity, equity, and inclusion.
> > However, this year's contentious election season followed by many
> > appaling acts of hate around the country has left us with no choice
> > but to re-affirm our unfaltering support and strong committment to these
> fundamental values.
> >
> > As technologists, we always look for ways to make things work better.
> > We love efficiency; we love elegance; we aspire to be free of any pain
> > point or bug in everything we design and build. But we do this not for
> > the sake of efficiency, elegance, and our deeeply-rooted desire to
> improve things.
> > We do this for the sake of people. Our ultimate aspiration is to help
> > people get things done with the tools we create with delight. For
> > this, we try to understand our users with all their differences in
> > race, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, religion, disability,
> > age, genetic information, veteran status, ancestry, national or ethnic
> > origin, launguage, socio-economic background, citizenship status, and
> > more. This is why we rely on emphathy as one of the most important
> > guiding principles in all we do as technologists. Wihtout our caring,
> > our work as a developer, designer, information specialist, and IT
> > professional would be missing its heart.
> >
> > Code4Lib has a proud history of recognizing the lack of diversity in
> > the technology sector as a serious problem and acting to address it
> > head-on. In the Code4Lib community, diversity, equity, and inclusion
> > are not mere words. They underpin all we do from Diversity
> > Scholarships, Newcomer Dinner, Code of Conduct, to our decision
> > regarding where to host our next Code4Lib conference. They represent
> > and reflect our shared and cherished understanding that we always solve
> difficult problems better together.
> >
> > As a community that deeply values diviersity, equity, and inclusion,
> > Code4Lib will always be a welcoming and safe community for all who are
> > passionate about infromation and technology. Everyone in our community
> > is valued and respected regardless of what they look like, what their
> > faiths are, what disabilities they may have, how they identify their
> > gender, who they love, where they come from, what language they speak,
> > or where they live. There is no place for bigotry, intolerance,
> > hatred, harrassment, and violence in Code4Lib. Today, we stand
> > together in our most forceful support for diversity, equity, and
> inclusion.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Bohyun
> >
> > --
> > Bohyun Kim, MA, MSLIS
> > Associate Director for Library Applications and Knowledge Systems
> > University of Maryland, Baltimore | Health Sciences and Human Services
> > Library [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> |
> > 410-706-0405
> >
> >
>

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