Thanks all. Two clarifying questions:

Work is underway to bring both RDA and BIBFRAME in line with LRM.


Where can I learn more about this?

I would agree that PREMIS views resources from a very different perspective
> — it really concerns itself only with the digital preservation aspects of
> your content.  The only overlap is in things like premis:IntellectualEntity
> and premis:Representation, which are probably the things you would describe
> with BIBFRAME.


Its the overlap that concerns me. Is it valid for me to describe provenance
using PREMIS but then to point to a BIBFRAME entity rather than a PREMIS
entity?

Joshua Welker
Library Systems and Discovery Coordinator
James C. Kirkpatrick Library
University of Central Missouri
Warrensburg, MO 64093
JCKL 2260
660.543.8022



On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 12:56 PM Kyle Banerjee <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:

> Also not an expert on any of this stuff, but my understanding is that
> PREMIS is a dictionary that allows you to describe who owns something,
> whether the thing is legit, what's done to preserve it, what you need to
> use it, and rights management information.
>
> It's a flexible standard -- i.e. there are many legitimate ways to
> implement it that are totally incompatible with compliant systems.
>
> <soapbox>Few phrases mean less in systems than "support" when it comes to
> metadata -- the devil is in the details. Despite being around half a
> century and dominating the library landscape, variations in how MARC is
> supported still generate grief. Even the lowly CSV file which has been
> around well over 40 years and which sees plenty of real world action in
> library applications gets implemented in different ways. As standards
> become more complex and abstract, both the containers and content become
> more divergent and the carbon-based liveware more confused, resulting in
> situations where standards undermine their own objectives.
>
> As such, best to focus on the operational effect needed and being able to
> get stuff in/out. If you can do that, you're golden whether or not you're
> technically compliant.</soapbox>
>
> kyle
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 7:36 AM McDonald, Stephen <[log in to unmask]
> >
> wrote:
>
> > You have the right general idea about the nature of IFLA LRM.  LRM is
> > essentially a merging and reformulation of FRBR, FRAD, and FSRAD.  It is
> > not a metadata schema.
> >
> > BIBFRAME is an implementation of RDA, which is a metadata schema based on
> > FRBR.  BIBFRAME is still under development, and is currently only used
> for
> > development and experimental purposes.  LRM is too new for any system to
> be
> > called LRM compliant.  Work is underway to bring both RDA and BIBFRAME in
> > line with LRM.  The new version of RDA is available as a beta release,
> but
> > is still incomplete.  Exactly how closely RDA and BIBFRAME will comply
> with
> > LRM is to be seen.
> >
> > I know very little about PREMIS, but I believe it has no relationship
> with
> > FRBR or LRM.  It is a metadata schema that views resources from a very
> > different perspective.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Code for Libraries <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Josh
> > Welker
> > Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2018 2:58 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: [CODE4LIB] BIBFRAME, IFLA LRM, and PREMIS
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Can anyone explain the relationship between IFLA LRM, BIBFRAME, and
> PREMIS?
> >
> > From what I can tell, IFLA LRM is not actually a metadata schema. Rather,
> > it is just a list of top-level entities involved in a bibliographic
> > resource and how they are related to each other (e.g. a *work* has many
> > *expressions*, and an *expression* has one *work*).
> >
> > BIBFRAME is an actual metadata schema containing elements like title,
> > author, etc. that describe the higher-level entities defined by IFLA LRM.
> > Except does it? BIBFRAME 2.0 was conceptualized in 2016, and the IFLA LRM
> > was published in December 2017. If I were to use BIBFRAME today to
> describe
> > a book, would that metadata be IFLA LRM-compliant?
> >
> > My question about PREMIS is much the same. Is it compliant with IFLA LRM?
> > Furthermore, is it possible to catalog with PREMIS and BIBFRAME together?
> > For instance, if I have a BIBFRAME representation of a book at
> > www.mysite.com/mybook, can I use that URI as the PREMIS Object?
> >
> > Maybe these are questions that are not fully answered yet because of the
> > lack of concrete BIBFRAME implementations.
> >
> > Joshua Welker
> > Library Systems and Discovery Coordinator James C. Kirkpatrick Library
> > University of Central Missouri Warrensburg, MO 64093 JCKL 2260
> > 660.543.8022
> >
>