I just want to thank you, Kate, for continuing to bring up important points
throughout this discussion.

Jim

On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 2:03 PM Kate Deibel <
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> Yes, you, Francis, and Mark publicly committed to working to expand the
> role of the CSS/CSVs at C4L19 via Mark's lightning talk. You three did drop
> the ball in announcing the conference volunteers would be continuing their
> roles. They were vetted and approved for the conference only. People may
> have objections to them serving community conduct roles in other venues.
> Furthermore, you have restricted participation to a narrow group. Not
> everyone could be a CSV at a conference. Maybe they weren't able to attend?
> Maybe they had additional duties to perform?
>
> All that is a separate issue from the "request" (really a directive since
> it comes from a place of authority) being told to stop posting. Yes, it
> does effectively hinder future harm from that conversation, but it also
> constrains any productive conversation as well. This is where the
> opaqueness debate comes in. There was no awareness of the CSS, its
> membership, and its authority (which the current CoC implies they have no
> enforcement). Furthermore, halting a conversation until the CSS group
> issues a PR is opaque because we have no timeframe or window into that
> process.
>
> Finally, I ask you all to consider the effects of basing CoC conversations
> around git terminology. Not everyone uses git or has a GitHub account. Not
> everyone gets git terminology. It took me more than a few minutes to
> remember what else PR could mean besides "public relations." How will the
> CSS support people ensure that git is not a barrier to community
> participation.
>
> Katherine Deibel | PhD
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Code for Libraries <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Anne
> Slaughter
> Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2019 1:36 PM
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> Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] From the Community Support Squad wrt "Note
> [admiistratativia]"
>
> Seconding Francis' points, and adding that this "failure" does not rest on
> his shoulders. Mark, Francis, and I publicly committed in San Jose to
> working to expand the role of the CSS/CSVs to better support the community
> in situations like this. This work unfortunately hasn't been on any of our
> front burners yet for all the reasons you might suspect in a volunteer
> leadership role. But we have a systemic issue with the community's code of
> conduct. It is written to specifically restrict enforcement to the annual
> conference, which by definition doesn't give any clear or transparent
> guidance in dealing with issues outside of the conference proceedings. The
> work to address that starts now with the process Bobbi introduces in her
> message, and I assure you that we are committed to doing it openly. It's
> absolutely not ideal that it's happening in a reactive rather than
> proactive state, and for that I apologize as well.
>
> Anne Slaughter
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>
> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 11:50 AM -0500, "Francis Kayiwa" <[log in to unmask]
> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>
>
> Heya Kate my responses interleaved. For starters if there's any opacity I
> will take this as my fault/oversight. You, Anne, Mark and I spoke in San
> Jose about the transition to the CSSCSV group after the conference and
> promised to work on this once we were done. Unfortunately I've been dealing
> with lots of personal grief and this took less priority....
>
> On 7/3/19 12:37 PM, Kate Deibel wrote:
> > Honestly, this is worrisome to me.
> >
> > First, who are the members of the Community Support Squad? I can find no
> mention of it anywhere on the website or the wiki. And it's disturbing that
> such a group let such a coincidence in lack of coverage occur. Yes, there
> were people listed for the 2019 conference, but to our knowledge, that was
> to be only for the conference.
>
> It is the same group that was volunteered at the conference.
>
> https://2019.code4lib.org/conduct/#officers
>
> We didn't expect every one to want to continue but all the volunteers
> offered to hang on during the transition process which once again I failed
> to deliver on.
>
> >
> > Two, shutting down any conversation while an unknown cabal (redundant, I
> know) discusses a solution that is to come with no projected timeline not
> only shuts down hurt but also prevents people from speaking up against any
> hurt that has or is still happening. Imagine if you had done this exact
> intervention yesterday after the emails about how the C4L mailing list was
> only to about CODE. You would have prevented the many posters who stood up
> to counter that narrative. Any teaching moments or learning that have come
> afterwards would also have been squashed. All that would remain would be
> the unchallenged statements of what the C4L community is only about: code.
> That silence would speak way more hurt. Sure, the Community Support Squad
> will eventually raise a solution... I mean a "pull request"...
>
> Bobbi pointed out (and I told you about a week ago via our DM twitter that
> we were mostly out). Now it is fair to imagine if I'd actually followed
> through on establishing a CSSCSV group as I promised you that this perhaps
> could have been handled very differently. Again. Blame me for this and that
> would be fair.
>
> >
> > It's uncomfortably ironic in that this conversation started with
> concerns about the transparency of the authorship and the procedures behind
> the sexual harassment articles but is now being "handled" by an opaque
> process where we are told to wait until the mystery box goes ping.
> >
>
> I disagree here. The process isn't opaque. The processes will be discussed
> and we welcome PR's via the aforementioned pull request.
> Furthermore if that doesn't work, you and others are welcome to send
> messages to [log in to unmask]
>
> I want to stress, I've gone rogue here and I am speaking without
> consulting with the rest of the CSSCSV team.
>
> Cheers,
> ./fxk
>
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