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On Jan 17, 2007, at 6:16 PM, Casey Durfee wrote: > So it sounds to me like they're stonewalling you because they flat out > don't know what they're doing and don't care to find out. In which > cases, condolences. Nope, I really think it's for fear of someone writing a huge runaway SQL statement that hurts production performance, or something. Our DB admins are quite competent, if perhaps overly cautious. And might be reading this list ;-) "Production" systems at Madison's libraries are famously (and sadly) *very* limited-access -- hence the, uh, "solutions" that don't require the Powers That Be to sign off on stuff ;-) -n