I also saw Roy's presentation and thought it was timely, good and very appropriate. Anyone who knows of the history of the Dynix customer's knows that most of the people at the conference fell on the spectrum of being jaded at best and angry at worst. Roy's talk was open, honest, and fair...and radical. I hope SirsiDynix is listening. I saw most of Tim Spalding's talk also and it was well recieved and he did a great job. It was funny, he did his LibraryThing show and then probably 4 or 5 people in the room who had recently bought LibraryThing for libraries starting actively participating in the presentation telling everyone else how easy and awesome his product doubt it made his job easier. Kudos to the both of you and thanks.


From: Code for Libraries on behalf of Tim Spalding
Sent: Thu 11/8/2007 4:53 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Library Software Manifesto

I just saw Roy's presentation, and it was good. Faced with a restive
but not radicalized audience of SD customers, Roy moved the issue
another couple yards toward what most members of Code4Lib believe and
want, but without any harshness or rancor.

But those of us who are angrier than Roy need to keep it up, so Roy's
mellow but essentially radical vision becomes the "safe" alternative!


On 11/8/07, Nathan Vack <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> On Nov 6, 2007, at 12:07 PM, Roy Tennant wrote:
> > I have a presentation coming up and I'm considering doing what I'm
> > calling a
> > "Library Software Manifesto". Some of the following may not be
> > completely
> > understandable on the face of it, and I would be explaining the
> > meaning
> > during the presentation, but this is what I have so far and I'd be
> > interested in other ideas this group has or comments on this. Thanks,
> > Roy
> >
> > Consumer Rights
> <things I like in software products />
> > Consumer Responsibilities
> <how to not be a jerk of a customer />
> The thing that kind of bugs me here is the idea that these things are
> somehow _rights._ They're certainly excellent guidelines (and I'd
> take all these points into consideration when looking at software)...
> but they're not 'rights.' 'Rights' implies a legal entitlement. When
> you're buying software, you have a whole bunch of rights, which vary
> depending on what jurisdiction you're in -- but I doubt the use of an
> API is in that list in ANY jurisdiction.
> Really, when you're buying software, your most common right is to
> negotiate a contract and price with vendors. If either party to
> uphold their end of the contract, the other party generally has a
> right to sue.
> If no vendor will provide a contract and price you can agree to, you
> have a right to build software yourself... or find vendors who will
> build the software, and to negotiate contracts with them.
> So: these are indeed good ideas. They are most definitely not rights.
> Cheers,
> -Nate

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