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I think Allen just didn't know about oss4lib: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/linuxinlibraries/message/858 Now he does, so maybe he goes forward with his plans to create a new community--or maybe he doesn't. Either way I don't see that either is a problem. On the one hand it's nice to work together on a single project; on the other hand a bit of competition can be a healthy thing.. //Ed