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FWIW, I agree with Karen and Alexander. The whole point (to my recollection) of creating code4lib in the first place was to create a venue where any aspect of computer programming in libraries could be discussed. To my mind, this includes licensing, and business models, and whether you like K&R style. Having a bunch of topic specific lists, with even less traffic, which require you to question yourself whether it's relevant to post your message is a bit of an anti-pattern that I was trying to avoid at the time. But over-categorization is an occupational hazard I suppose :-) //Ed