I think that's asking a bit too much of OSU. Especially when we can't even get anyone to step up and say they'll be responsible for app-level admin on this machine! (OSU is responsble for what I think of as "OS level admin". Installing the OS, networking, OS-level security patches, backups (not sure if we actually have em, but if we did it would be OSU's responsibility :) ), etc.) But I'm sure any number of code4libbers could provide server space for simple test/dev, with limited bandwidth or CPU needed and no expectation of consistent uptime. That's not the hard part, the hard part is what OSU is doing. Personally, I think that it's not neccesary to be as strict with it as Kevin did. I think the reason that the anvil code4lib turned out to be insufficient had less to do with people running non-production code on it, and more to do with a lack of committed sysadmin resources. Now OSU has volunteered those committed sysadmin resources, and I don't think it's neccesary to take the kind of strict "production box" procedures that a fully-staffed commercial IT organization would take. We're still all volunteers here. But that's a question that could be decided (with lots of 'advice' from the code4lib community I'm sure :) )by anyone who took responsibility for overall app-level admin on the machine, if there were such persons! If not, then? Jonathan Andrew Nagy wrote: >> I still think if you want a production machine, though, you shouldn't >> be doing development on there. If you want to do something with >> DokuWiki put it some other place first and get it like you want it >> there. Otherwise, I think we're just recreating anvil with all the >> inherent problems that an open/development environment will entail. >> Of course, making that decision can fall to the sys admins if the >> community doesn't have a preference (they'll be the ones who get to >> pick up the pieces anyway). >> > > Can OSU provide a staging machine to test out implementations of things like dokuwiki before launching them live? Perhaps make the code4lib server virtualized? > > Andrew > > -- Jonathan Rochkind Digital Services Software Engineer The Sheridan Libraries Johns Hopkins University 410.516.8886 rochkind (at) jhu.edu