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I'll vote no on a logo. Not interested in adopting corporate mentality. -- Wally Jonathan Rochkind wrote: > To me, a committee of volunteers that anyone interested can be on _is_ > a community decision. > > This is sort of a philosophical discussion/debate we've had before. > Some people think "community democracy" contradicts having a certain > specific committee, community democracy requires that everyone > involved in the community can step in and step out at any time, can > participate in every decision even if they hadn't participated in > previous decisions, etc. Me, I don't think that's a requirement, and > I think there are often problems with that approach. To me, > establishing a committee which is open to any volunteers---but which > carries with it the expectation that serving on the committee is > accepting responsibility for getting stuff done---is community > democracy too, and often preferable. > > In this case, I think either could work, whatever people who want to > spend time organizing it want to organize. (Ah, but again, the > recognition that there will be some certain people who spend time > organizing it. If it's going to happen, that's just a fact, some > people will really take on and do the work, that's how it works. > That's why I'd say, okay, call them a committee. Certainly, the > opinions of anyone in the committee should be taken into account by > those doing the work, but I don't have a lot of patience for people > who demand unlimited decision making power without accepting > responsibility for work.). > > Jonathan > > Edward M. Corrado wrote: >> I am all for a logo, but I also agree with Kevin it needs to be a >> community >> based decision. I'm also not sold that we need a professional >> designed logo, >> but I'm not against it either. I can understand why a business would not >> want to leave it to amateurs (although I have seen some great logos >> created >> by design school students) but I'm not sure what a professional logo >> would >> give us that a community derived one wouldn't. Roy, what do you think >> that >> would be that would gain by using a professional logo company? >> >> Edward - actually wearing a code4lib conference t-shirt right now >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 11:48 PM, Carol Bean <[log in to unmask]> >> wrote: >> >> >>> Well, looking at Software Freedom Day, which has somehow managed to get >>> itself a logo with virtually no organizational infrastructure, I >>> don't see >>> why Code4Lib shouldn't. I suspect their logo design wasn't done by >>> amateurs, however, even if they were volunteers. Of course they >>> have a much >>> larger, global base of volunteers... >>> >>> I think it's a cool idea. >>> >>> Carol >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sep 19, 2008, at 11:39 PM, Kevin S. Clarke wrote: >>> >>> I like the idea. A real logo would be nice. My one caveat is I'd >>> >>>> still like everyone who'd like to have a voice to have one (I like >>>> voting). I'd be less in favor of a committee of volunteers to make >>>> the decision. I don't know how that would work with a professional >>>> graphic designer though. Could they give us several options and open >>>> it up to a vote? >>>> >>>> Kevin >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 11:29 PM, Roy Tennant <[log in to unmask]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> I was in the middle of writing a blog post about Code4Lib going >>>>> regional >>>>> when it hit me -- here we have this incredibly successful brand >>>>> and yet >>>>> we >>>>> lack a t-shirt. But I guess we lack a t-shirt because we lack a >>>>> logo to >>>>> put >>>>> on it. The closest we get are the items that decorate our web >>>>> site. Are >>>>> we >>>>> at the point where we're ready to establish an official graphic >>>>> identity, >>>>> that can grace our web site, journal, conference, etc.? I think so. >>>>> >>>>> So here's my proposal: we take some of the money that has been passed >>>>> down >>>>> from conference to conference and we hire a graphic designer to do a >>>>> professional job of it. Branding is best not left to amateurs. We put >>>>> together a committee of volunteers to handle it. >>>>> >>>>> I know of at least one design firm that I think would do a good job, >>>>> since >>>>> they just designed a t-shirt for OCLC that we really liked, and >>>>> they were >>>>> delighted to work with library coders. See >>>>> <http://www.sanchezcircuit.com/catalog/>. There are no doubt >>>>> others as >>>>> well. >>>>> >>>>> One of the nice things about a logo is that although it establishes a >>>>> solid >>>>> graphic identity, it doesn't really take any organizational >>>>> infrastructure >>>>> to do it, which seems to fit right in with the c4l vibe. So am I >>>>> crazy? >>>>> Stupid? Or right? You decide. >>>>> Roy >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> There are two kinds of people in the world: those who believe there >>>> are two kinds of people and those who know better. >>>> >>>> >>> Carol Bean >>> [log in to unmask] >>> >>> >> >> >