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Ah, thanks Godmar and Thomas. The empty span is probably the key. I don't always use empty spans for COinS. For instance, the Code4Lib Journal, we put a link inside the span that takes you to a page that says "If you had LibX installed, you'd get useful functionality here instead of this link." Which seemed like a nice idea, but perhaps not worth the trade-offs. Perhaps empty spans, with CSS setting display:none, should be recommended best practice for COinS, and should take care of most accessibility concerns. I believe most screen readers succesfully do NOT read elements with display:none. Jonathan Godmar Back wrote: > On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 2:31 PM, Jonathan Rochkind <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> Not that I know of. >> >> You can say display:none, but that'll probably hide it from LibX etc too. >> > > No, why would it. > > BTW, I don't see why screen readers would stumble over this when the > child of the <span> is empty. Do they try to read empty text? And if > a COinS is processed, we fix up the title so tooltips show nicely. > > - Godmar > > >> What is needed is a CSS @media for screen readers, like one exists for >> 'print'. So you could have a seperate stylesheet for screenreaders, like you >> can have a seperate stylesheet for print. That would be the right way to do >> it. >> >> But doesn't exist. >> >> Jonathan >> >> Thomas Dowling wrote: >> >>> On 12/04/2008 02:02 PM, Jonathan Rochkind wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Yeah, I had recently noticed indepedently, been unhappy with the way a >>>> COinS "title" shows up in mouse-overs, and is reccommended to be used by >>>> screen readers. Oops. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> By any chance, do current screen readers honor something like '<span >>> class="Z3988" style="speak:none" title=...>'? >>> >>> >>> >> -- >> Jonathan Rochkind >> Digital Services Software Engineer >> The Sheridan Libraries >> Johns Hopkins University >> 410.516.8886 rochkind (at) jhu.edu >> >> > > -- Jonathan Rochkind Digital Services Software Engineer The Sheridan Libraries Johns Hopkins University 410.516.8886 rochkind (at) jhu.edu