From: "Jonathan Rochkind" <[log in to unmask]> > HTML works out pretty well. If our biggest failures were 'failures' like > HTML, we'd be doing pretty well. HTML is a wonderful standard. And I don't mean to take the discussion off-course. My point was simply that because early browsers did not insist on clean html, the proliferation of unlean html has reached the point where, well, whether you consider it a "mess" or not depends on how much importance you place on clean html. It's important to me. --Ray