Roy++ I agree while we might use technology to preserve things, it is only a tool to help preserve things. It is at best the how, not the which, what, why, and when. Edward Roy Tennant wrote: > I think this episode also illustrates, once again, that preservation is not > about technology at all, it's about *institutional commitment*. The kind of > institutional commitment that would have implemented and maintained the > kinds of procedures that Jonathan described. Without institutional > commitment, no technology on earth can save you. > Roy > > > On 9/1/09 9/1/09 € 9:00 AM, "Jonathan Rochkind" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > >> I'd add that not only does it sound like GPO maintained no failover >> backup, it sounds, based on Jonathan Lebreton's report, like they >> didn't even maintain an offline backup, since they're needing to >> regenerate the purl database from raw data, rather than simply restoring >> from a backup, which would generally be much quicker then the process >> that Jonathan Lebreton seems to be describing. >> >> From what info we have, it sounds like GPO simply, well, was very very >> far from 'best practices' for a service meant to be robustly reliable. >> On the other hand, we're just going from sort of third hand hearsay, >> maybe they were doing things more right than it sounds, but some kind of >> catastrophic unexpected 'perfect storm' still happened to bring >> everything down. Maybe 48 hours of outage in 10 years (how long has GPO >> purl been running? Have there been outages like this before?) is >> appropriate reliability for the level of importance of this service. I >> dunno. >> >> Jonathan >> >> Jonathan Lebreton wrote: >> >>> This is indeed an interesting problem - we are all dependent on a >>> centralized service node. >>> >>> Just got off the phone with GPO 9 am 9/1/09. >>> I was told they are now up to 50% or PURLs restored but the script is >>> running very slowly line-by-line since the server (they're updating the >>> production server while it is up) is experiencing unusually heavy load >>> from the user community and bots scheduled to troll at beginning of the >>> month. >>> >>> Jonathan LeBreton >>> Sr. Associate University Librarian >>> Temple University Libraries >>> voice: 215-204-8231 >>> fax: 215-204-5201 >>> email: [log in to unmask] >>> email: [log in to unmask] >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Code for Libraries [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf >>>> >>>> >>> Of >>> >>> >>>> James Jacobs >>>> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 6:06 PM >>>> To: [log in to unmask] >>>> Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] GPO PURLs >>>> >>>> Hi all, (cross-posted to purl-dev) >>>> >>>> I'm a documents librarian (and member of the Depository Library >>>> Council) >>>> and usually just a lurker over here. Thanks Keith and Patricia for the >>>> easy workaround. I shared this with govdoc-l and on my blog: >>>> >>>> http://freegovinfo.info/node/2704 >>>> >>>> See especially the comment that as of today, only 3,677 PURLs out of >>>> 116,237 have been restored (3.1%). I would love to hear your >>>> thoughts/ideas for how this kind of critical system failure can be >>>> averted in the future from a technological standpoint. Is it possible >>>> to >>>> mirror a purl server? Will the same issue occur when GPO moves to >>>> handles in FDsys (http://www.handle.net/)? Will a distributed >>>> infrastructure as I've briefly mapped out be able to handle these >>>> >>>> >>> types >>> >>> >>>> of critical system crashes better? >>>> >>>> Please let me know and I'd be happy to share your ideas with GPO and >>>> the >>>> documents community. >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> >>>> James Jacobs >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Keith Jenkins wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Thanks to everyone who helped me confirm that the GPO PURL server is >>>>> down. An official announcement on the GPO Listserv said: >>>>> "The PURL Server is currently inaccessible. GPO is working with >>>>> >>>>> >>> IT >>> >>> >>>>> staff to restore service as soon as possible. We regret any >>>>> inconvenience caused by the server problems. An updated listserv >>>>> >>>>> >>> will >>> >>> >>>>> be sent once service is restored." >>>>> >>>>> While the server is down, here is one workaround (thanks to Patricia >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Duplantis): >>>> >>>> >>>>> 1. Go to http://catalog.gpo.gov/ >>>>> 2. Click "Advanced Search" >>>>> 3. Search for word in "URL/PURL", enter the PURL >>>>> 4. Click "Go" >>>>> 5. The original URL at the time of cataloging should appear in a >>>>> >>>>> >>>> 53x note. >>>> >>>> >>>>> This incident, however, illuminates a weakness in PURL systems: >>>>> >>>>> >>>> access >>>> >>>> >>>>> is broken when the PURL server breaks, even though the documents are >>>>> still online at their original URLs. >>>>> >>>>> Maybe someone more familiar with PURL systems can tell me... is >>>>> >>>>> >>> there >>> >>> >>>>> any way to harvest data from a PURL server, so that a backup/mirror >>>>> can be available? >>>>> >>>>> Keith >>>>> >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> James R. Jacobs >>>> International Documents Librarian >>>> Green Library, Stanford University >>>> P: (650) 725-1030 E: [log in to unmask] >>>> AIM: LibrarianJames T: @freegovinfo >>>> >>>> The more beautiful questions demand the more beautiful answers, >>>> and if we can learn to ask them, we stand a chance of steering >>>> clear of shipwreck on our jury-rigged and not so distant star. >>>> --Lewis Lapham, Lapham's Quarterly I(3), Summer, 2008, p.17. >>>> >>>> ----------------------------------------------- >>>> This message may have been intercepted and read by U.S. government >>>> agencies including the FBI, CIA, and NSA without notice or warrant or >>>> knowledge of sender or recipient. >>>> >>>> (\ >>>> {|||8- >>>> (/ >>>> >>>> >>> >>>