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Yes, slow registration is a known issue, unfortunately. Mark A. Matienzo Digital Archivist, Manuscripts and Archives Yale University Library On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Doran, Michael D <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Is anyone else having trouble connecting to the Code4Lib registration website (https://www.confmanager.com/main.cfm?cid=2375)? It took me about 15 minutes to get connected initially, now it's hanging after page 2 (of 9?). > > -- Michael > > # Michael Doran, Systems Librarian > # University of Texas at Arlington > # 817-272-5326 office > # 817-688-1926 mobile > # [log in to unmask] > # http://rocky.uta.edu/doran/ > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Code for Libraries [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Karen >> Coyle >> Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 9:51 AM >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Announcing OLAC's prototype FRBR-inspired moving image >> discovery interface >> >> Quoting "Beacom, Matthew" <[log in to unmask]>: >> >> Sometimes I feel like we should all have the FRBR diagram tattoo'd on >> our arms so we can consult it any time anywhere. :-) >> >> >> > >> > With as complex a thing as a film--so many "authors", images, music, >> > dialog, acting, sets, costume, etc., etc., etc., applying the FRBR >> > model is tough, and your implementation is quite sensible. However, >> > I had a small question about one thing you said about FRBR not >> > allowing language at the work level. That doesn't seem right to me. >> > How could the language of a thing that is primarily or even >> > partially a work made of language--like a novel or a motion picture >> > with spoken dialogue would not necessarily be considered at the work >> > level and not at some other level. >> >> Matthew, I can't answer how it is possible but I can tell you that it >> is a fact: language is an attribute of Expression, not of Work. That's >> kind of the key meaning of frbr:Expression -- it is the Expression of >> the Work, and the Work doesn't exist until Expressed. So Work is a >> very abstract concept in FRBR. (Which is why more than one attempted >> implementation of FRBR that I have seen combines Work and Expression >> attributes in some way.) >> >> Not only that, but Kelley's model uses something that I consider to be >> missing from FRBR: the concept of a "original Expression." For FRBR >> (and thus for RDA) all expressions are in a sense equal; there is no >> privileged first or original expression. Yet there is evidence that >> this is a useful concept in the minds of users. Some recent user >> studies [1] around FRBR showed that this is a concept that users come >> up with spontaneously. Also, I can't think of any field of study where >> knowing what the original expression of a work was wouldn't be >> important. >> >> > Because of the way we treat translations--not just in FRBR--as what >> > FRBR calls expressions not as new works, a translation from the >> > original language to another would be considered an FRBR expression. >> > Could you explain this a bit more? >> >> The FRBR relationship "translation of" is an Expression-to-Expression >> relationship. (See my personal "cheat sheet" of RDA/FRBR relationships >> [2]). >> >> kc >> [1] http://www.asis.org/asist2010/abstracts/75.html >> [2] http://kcoyle.net/rda/group1relsby.html >> >> > >> > Thank you. >> > >> > Matthew >> > >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > ... >> > >> >> This also allowed us to get around some of the areas of more >> >> orthodox FRBR modeling that we found unhelpful. For example, FRBR >> >> doesn't allow language at the Work level, but we think it is >> >> important to record the original language of a moving image at the >> >> top level. >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Karen Coyle >> [log in to unmask] http://kcoyle.net >> ph: 1-510-540-7596 >> m: 1-510-435-8234 >> skype: kcoylenet >